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Cedric Chung

Hobby vs Business: Tax Implications When Side Project Makes Money

My husband and I are arguing about his woodworking side project. Our CPA insists he needs to document all income and expenses on his tax return since he made about $1,750 this year selling custom furniture pieces. My husband is super resistant to this - he says it's "just a hobby" and shouldn't require all that paperwork since the profit is so small. He absolutely refuses to sit down and create an income/expense sheet. Says it's ridiculous for something that's just his weekend passion project. I think our CPA probably knows what she's talking about, but my husband is convinced there's some kind of exemption for small hobby income. Can anyone clarify if the CPA is right? Do you really have to document everything even for a small hobby that makes a little money? Any good resources I can show him to explain the hobby vs. business distinction for tax purposes? This is causing some serious tension at home and tax season is approaching fast.

Talia Klein

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The CPA is absolutely right here. The IRS is very specific about this - ANY income needs to be reported, whether it's a hobby or a business. The distinction between hobby and business actually matters a lot for tax purposes! If it's a hobby, your husband still has to report ALL income from it on his tax return (on Schedule 1, Line 8). The downside of hobby classification is that after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, hobby expenses are no longer deductible at all. That means he'd pay taxes on the full $1,750 with no deductions. If it's treated as a business (reported on Schedule C), he can deduct legitimate expenses against that income, potentially reducing his taxable profit. But then he'd need to pay self-employment tax if the net profit is over $400. The IRS uses a nine-factor test to determine if something is a hobby or business - the main factor being whether you're engaged in the activity to make a profit. Even occasional profit can trigger this requirement.

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Wait, so you're saying hobby expenses aren't deductible at all anymore? I thought you could still deduct them up to the amount of income from the hobby? When did this change?

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Talia Klein

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You're thinking of the old rules before 2018. Prior to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, you could deduct hobby expenses as miscellaneous itemized deductions (subject to the 2% AGI floor) up to the amount of hobby income. The TCJA suspended all miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% floor through 2025, so currently there's no way to deduct hobby expenses. That's why many people with profitable hobbies actually prefer to classify as a business - even with self-employment tax, the ability to deduct legitimate expenses often makes it more advantageous.

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PaulineW

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Did it actually help determine whether something should be classified as a hobby or business? I sell handmade jewelry occasionally but I'm never sure how to report it.

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Chris Elmeda

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PaulineW

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It specifically helped me evaluate whether my activity qualified as a business or hobby based on the nine IRS factors. It asks questions about your profit history, time investment, expertise, and other criteria the IRS considers. For jewelry sales, it would analyze your pattern of income and whether you operate in a businesslike manner to give you a clear determination. The difference from regular tax software is that it's specifically designed for self-employed people and side hustles. TurboTax asks general questions, but taxr.ai actually analyzes your specific transactions and categorizes them automatically. It's much more specialized for small business/side income situations and doesn't require you to already understand all the tax terminology.

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Jean Claude

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Shelby Bauman

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Here's the thing nobody's mentioning - the IRS has a "hobby loss rule" that comes into play if you consistently show losses. If you don't show profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, the IRS may classify your activity as a hobby rather than a business (some activities like horse racing have different timeframes). I'd recommend keeping good records regardless of whether it's a hobby or business. If you ever get audited and can't substantiate your income/expenses, you're in for a world of hurt. The $1,750 might seem small now, but establishing good habits early prevents bigger problems down the road. Also consider that proper business classification could allow writing off equipment purchases, workspace, materials, etc. That might actually SAVE money compared to just reporting hobby income.

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Cedric Chung

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Thanks for explaining the hobby loss rule! That's really helpful context. My husband has actually been making small profits consistently (between $1,500-2,000) for the past three years, which I guess would tend to support business classification?

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Shelby Bauman

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Yes, consistent profits over three years would definitely strengthen the case for business classification. That's one of the key factors the IRS looks at. Since he's showing a consistent pattern of profits, the IRS would be more likely to consider this a business activity rather than a hobby. This actually works in his favor since business expenses are fully deductible against business income, while hobby expenses aren't deductible at all under current tax law. He should definitely consider tracking expenses - he may be paying more tax than necessary by not documenting his costs.

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Quinn Herbert

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Has your husband looked into how simple the record-keeping could actually be? For a small side business like this, it doesn't have to be complicated. He could use a basic spreadsheet or even just a dedicated credit card for all business purchases. For my small crafting business, I just use a separate checking account and debit card. All business income goes into that account, all business expenses come out of it. At tax time, I just download the annual statement and I've got a complete record. Takes maybe 15 minutes to organize.

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Salim Nasir

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This is great advice. I use a similar system for my side gig. The separate account/card approach makes it super simple to track everything.

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