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Kiara Greene

Help Needed: Paying Excise Tax on Unauthorized Roth IRA Contributions as F1 Student

I messed up big time with my Roth IRA and need advice on fixing it. When I first came to the US as an F1 student in 2017, I was super into personal finance and opened a Roth IRA without fully understanding the requirements. I contributed $5,500 in 2017, $5,500 in 2018, and $6,000 in 2019 (total around $17,000) while being an international graduate student with NO US taxable income. I just realized that to contribute to a Roth IRA, you need US earned income, which I never had as an F1 student! Now I'm facing excise tax penalties that have been accumulating for years: 2017 Excise Tax: $2,310 2018 Excise Tax: $1,980 2019 Excise Tax: $1,800 Total Penalties: $6,090 I've researched some possible solutions: 1) Sell everything in the Roth IRA, withdraw everything (including gains), and pay the excise tax 2) File Form 5329 for each year and pay the excise tax My questions are: 1) Since I don't file US income taxes (no US income), do I need any forms besides Form 5329? I understand I'll need to mail physical forms with checks. 2) Do I need to pay penalties on the GAINS made in my Roth IRA too? Would it help if I use the money to pay for my graduate education? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I'm freaking out about this $6k+ penalty.

Evelyn Kelly

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You've got yourself in a tricky situation, but don't panic - it can be fixed. The IRS has procedures for handling excess contributions to retirement accounts. For your first question, Form 5329 is indeed the correct form you'll need to file for each year you made an excess contribution. Since you don't have US taxable income, you'll file these forms standalone (not attached to a 1040). Each form needs to be mailed separately with a check for the excise tax due for that specific year. Regarding your second question, the 6% excise tax applies only to the excess contributions themselves, not to any earnings those contributions generated. However, if you withdraw the funds, the earnings portion will be subject to regular income tax plus an additional 10% early withdrawal penalty unless you qualify for an exception. One option you might consider is removing the excess contributions through a "return of excess contributions" process. If done correctly, this could potentially minimize penalties, but timing matters. You'd need to withdraw the excess amounts plus any earnings attributable to those excess contributions. For your specific situation as an F1 student, I'd highly recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxation. The rules are complex, and there might be specific provisions or strategies that could help in your case.

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Kiara Greene

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Thanks for the detailed response! So just to clarify - when I file the Form 5329 for each year, I only pay the 6% excise tax on the initial contributions ($5,500, $5,500, and $6,000), not on any gains those investments made over the years? Also, for the "return of excess contributions" process you mentioned - is that still an option even though it's been several years since I made those contributions? I thought there was a deadline for that.

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Evelyn Kelly

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You're correct that the 6% excise tax only applies to the excess contribution amounts ($5,500, $5,500, and $6,000), not on the earnings. The tax is calculated on the excess amount that remained in the account at the end of each tax year. Regarding the "return of excess contributions" process, you're right that there are timing considerations. Ideally, this should be done before the tax filing deadline for the year of the contribution (including extensions). Since you're well beyond those deadlines, you'll likely need to pay the 6% excise tax for each year the excess remained in the account. However, removing the excess now will at least prevent additional 6% penalties from accruing in future years.

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Paloma Clark

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Did the tool help you actually file the forms or just tell you what to do? I'm confused because I thought Form 5329 had to be physically mailed in when it's filed separately from a tax return. Did you still have to print and mail everything?

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Paloma Clark

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - have you considered just keeping the money in the Roth IRA and paying the excise tax? If your investments have grown significantly (especially during the 2020-2023 bull market), it might be worth just paying the 6% penalty. The reason is that Roth IRA growth is tax-free forever if you wait until retirement age. So if you're young and the account has decades to grow, you might actually come out ahead mathematically by paying the penalty and keeping the tax-free growth vehicle. You'd still need to file Form 5329 for each year and pay the penalties, but you wouldn't withdraw the funds. Just something to consider alongside the other options.

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Kiara Greene

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That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. My investments have actually done pretty well - they're up about 40% since I made the contributions. But wouldn't I continue accruing the 6% penalty EVERY year going forward as long as the excess contributions remain in the account? That seems like it would eat away all the gains eventually.

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You're absolutely right about the continuing 6% penalty - I should have been clearer. The 6% excise tax continues each year until you either withdraw the excess contribution or until you have sufficient earned income in a future year to "absorb" the previous excess contribution. So if you plan to stay in the US after graduation and will have earned income later, you could potentially "absorb" these past contributions against future years' contribution limits. But if you don't expect to have US earned income, then yes, the penalty would continue indefinitely and probably isn't worth it.

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Noland Curtis

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Have you considered speaking to your brokerage firm? I had a similar issue with excess contributions and my brokerage (Fidelity) had a specific department that handled excess contribution removals. They calculated the attributable earnings for me and could process the removal in a way that was properly coded for the IRS. Also, don't forget that if you're using the money for qualified education expenses as you mentioned, you might qualify for an exception to the 10% early withdrawal penalty on any earnings (though you'd still owe income tax on those earnings). This is separate from the 6% excise tax issue, but could help reduce the overall financial impact.

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Diez Ellis

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This is good advice. I work at a brokerage (not naming which one) and we help with this all the time. The key is asking specifically for the "excess contribution removal department" or sometimes called "retirement tax services." Regular customer service reps might not know the proper procedure.

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