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Benjamin Kim

Got an IRS letter saying Form 941 wasn't signed despite e-filing it through tax software - what gives?

So my brother is running a small landscaping business and only pays himself once a year in Q4. He didn't file Form 941 for Q1-Q3 since he wasn't paying himself, only for Q4 when he actually took a salary. Well, the IRS sent him letters (LTR 3463C) claiming his e-filed 941 forms weren't signed, even though he submitted them through TaxAct and got confirmation emails showing the IRS accepted them! The letters aren't saying he owes penalties or anything - just asking him to sign some declaration and mail/fax it back. He's all worked up about it and keeps asking me why this is happening if the forms were already accepted electronically. I told him to just sign the stupid forms and send them back, but he's being stubborn. I suggested he contact TaxAct to see what's going on with this signature issue. Has anyone dealt with this before? Is this some weird glitch in the IRS system where they're not recognizing e-signatures on Form 941? Should he be worried about anything beyond just signing and returning these forms?

This is actually pretty common with e-filed 941s, especially when you have quarters with no payroll activity. What likely happened is that while the forms were technically accepted into the IRS system, they flagged the submission during processing because they need verification about the quarters with zero liability. The LTR 3463C is basically the IRS saying "we got something from you but need additional verification." It's not an audit or assessment of penalties - it's just them covering their bases. The declaration they want your brother to sign is just confirming that the information submitted electronically is accurate. When you e-file through tax software, you're giving an electronic signature, but sometimes for certain forms (especially employment tax forms), the IRS still wants a physical signature as additional verification, particularly when there are quarters with zero activity.

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So does this mean I should always expect to get these letters if I have quarters with no payroll? I'm about to start a business and plan to only pay myself occasionally, so trying to understand what to expect.

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It doesn't happen every time, but it's definitely more common with intermittent payroll reporting. The IRS system sometimes flags these patterns because they want to confirm the quarters with no payroll were intentionally zero rather than missing filings. When you have irregular payroll patterns, it's a good practice to file Form 941 every quarter even if you have zero wages to report. This creates a consistent filing pattern and can sometimes prevent these verification requests. Just make sure to check the "no wages" box on the form for those zero quarters.

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For what it's worth, I had something similar happen with 941s for my seasonal ice cream shop. Each year I shut down completely for winter (Jan-Mar) and don't run payroll, then start up again in spring. I e-filed all quarters through QuickBooks but still got letters for the zero-payroll quarters asking for signatures. I called the IRS (took forever to get through) and they told me that for quarters where you report no wages, they sometimes need additional verification. It's not a penalty or audit, just verification. I just signed the declaration forms, sent them back, and that was the end of it. Tell your brother not to stress about it - it's just bureaucracy being bureaucracy. As long as he actually filed all the forms and can prove it with his confirmation emails, he's fine.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That makes me feel better about telling him to just sign and return them. Did you have to send anything besides the signed declaration form they included? Like copies of your confirmation emails from QuickBooks or anything?

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I just sent back the signed declaration form they included in the letter. I didn't include any of the confirmation emails, but I did keep those safely stored just in case they asked for additional proof later on. They never did, though. One thing I learned from this - I now keep a detailed log of all my quarterly filings with the confirmation numbers, dates, and screenshots in a dedicated folder. Makes it much easier if this ever happens again. But really, it's just one of those annoying procedural things, not something that indicates any real problem with your brother's filings.

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The REAL problem is that the IRS systems for handling employment taxes are outdated and don't properly communicate with each other. The electronic filing acceptance is handled by one system, but the verification of signatures is handled by a completely different system. Your brother absolutely needs to respond to the letter and sign the declaration. If he doesn't, it could eventually escalate to penalties for "unfiled" returns even though he did file them. I've seen this happen to clients who ignored these notices. The good news is that once he sends back the signed declaration, the case will typically be closed within 30-45 days. Just tell him to keep copies of EVERYTHING - the original notices, the signed declaration he returns, and proof of mailing it back (certified mail is best).

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This is so frustrating that they can't get their systems to talk to each other! Is this specific to Form 941 or does this happen with other tax forms too?

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I've dealt with this exact same issue! Had a client who got the LTR 3463C for their e-filed 941s, and it turned out to be exactly what others have mentioned - a disconnect between the IRS's electronic filing acceptance system and their signature verification process. The key thing to understand is that this isn't questioning whether your brother filed the forms (they clearly have them since they sent acceptance confirmations). It's just their outdated system flagging the submission for additional verification, especially common when you have mixed quarters like he does - some with payroll activity and some without. Tell your brother to stop stressing and just sign the declaration form and mail it back with a copy of his e-filing confirmations attached. I always recommend sending it certified mail so you have proof of delivery. The IRS will update their records to show proper signature verification and close the case within 4-6 weeks typically. This is purely administrative - no penalties, no audit risk, just bureaucratic box-checking. But definitely don't ignore it because unresolved signature verification issues can eventually be treated as unfiled returns down the road.

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This is really helpful context! As someone new to dealing with IRS correspondence, I'm curious - when you say to attach copies of the e-filing confirmations, do you mean just the basic confirmation emails from the tax software, or are there specific documents we should include? Also, is there any particular way to format the cover letter when sending back the signed declaration, or do you just send the form by itself?

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Good question! For the e-filing confirmations, include the main confirmation email from your tax software that shows the IRS accepted the submission - it usually has an acknowledgment number or electronic postmark. If you have any transmission reports or detailed confirmation receipts, those are helpful too. As for formatting, I typically recommend a simple cover letter that references the notice number (LTR 3463C) and states something like "Enclosed please find the signed declaration as requested in your notice dated [date]. Also enclosed are copies of electronic filing confirmations showing these forms were properly submitted and accepted by the IRS on [dates]." Keep it brief and professional. The most important thing is the certified mail - you want that green receipt showing the IRS received your response. I've seen too many cases where people sent regular mail and then had to deal with the IRS claiming they never received the signed declaration.

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I went through this exact same situation last year with my consulting business! Got the LTR 3463C for Q2 and Q3 where I had zero payroll, even though I e-filed through FreeTaxUSA and had confirmation receipts. What I learned from calling the IRS (after waiting 3 hours on hold) is that their system sometimes flags quarters with zero wages for additional verification, especially when it's part of an irregular payroll pattern. The agent explained that the electronic signature was accepted for filing purposes, but they need the manual signature declaration to complete their internal verification process. I just signed the declaration form they sent, attached copies of my e-filing confirmations, and mailed it back certified mail. Got a letter about 6 weeks later confirming the matter was resolved. No penalties, no issues - just their bureaucratic process. Tell your brother to stop being stubborn and just send it back! It's literally a 5-minute task that will close this out completely. The alternative is potentially having this escalate into a much bigger headache down the road if the IRS decides to treat it as an unfiled return.

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Thanks for sharing your experience with FreeTaxUSA! I'm curious - when you called the IRS and waited those 3 hours, did they give you any insight into why some businesses get these verification requests and others don't? My friend runs a similar consulting business with irregular payroll and has never gotten one of these letters, so I'm wondering if there's something specific that triggers their system to flag certain accounts for additional verification.

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