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James Martinez

IRS sent notice about Form 941 not being signed despite electronic filing through tax software - what gives?

So I'm helping out my brother-in-law with a weird IRS situation and I'm totally confused. He got these LTR 3463C letters from the IRS claiming he didn't sign his quarterly Form 941s, but he definitely e-filed them through one of those online tax services. The weird part is he only files Form 941 for the one quarter per year when he actually pays himself (he skips the other quarters when he takes no salary), and those are the exact quarters the IRS is saying weren't signed. He showed me all the confirmation emails from the tax filing service showing the IRS accepted the forms! The letters just ask him to sign some declaration and mail/fax it back with no penalties mentioned, which seems simple enough. I told him to just sign whatever they want and send it back, but he's super annoyed and wants to understand why this is happening. I suggested he contact the tax service that handled the filing, but meanwhile I'm curious - is this a common issue? Has the IRS been sending these kinds of notices for e-filed forms that were already accepted? Anyone dealt with this Form 941 signature issue before?

Olivia Harris

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This actually happens more often than you'd think with Form 941s. Even though your brother-in-law e-filed through a tax service, there's sometimes a disconnect between the IRS's electronic filing system and their notice generation system. For quarters when no wages were paid, he should still file a "zero 941" rather than skipping those quarters entirely. Many business owners don't realize this, but you need to file Form 941 every quarter regardless of whether you paid wages or not. This might be part of the confusion. The LTR 3463C is basically just asking for verification. Since there's no penalty mentioned, the IRS just wants confirmation that the filed returns were authorized by the taxpayer. The disconnect likely happened because the e-filing service submitted the forms, but the IRS wants direct confirmation from your brother-in-law as the responsible party.

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Wait - are you saying we need to file Form 941 every quarter even if we paid no wages? My accountant told me we only need to file for quarters when we actually pay employees. Now I'm worried I might get the same letters!

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Olivia Harris

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That's a common misconception. If you're a seasonal employer, you can actually check the seasonal employer box on your first Form 941 for the year, and then you only need to file for quarters when you pay wages. If your brother-in-law hasn't designated himself as a seasonal employer, the IRS expects a 941 every quarter, which could be part of the issue. As for the signature request, it's likely just a verification step since the returns were filed through a third party. I'd recommend he sign the declarations and return them as requested, then make sure to file consistently going forward based on his business classification.

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Alicia Stern

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How does the taxr.ai thing actually work? Do you just upload the IRS letter and it tells you what to do? I got a similar notice but for my 1120S and I'm confused about what they want.

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Drake

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Alicia Stern

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Drake

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Sarah Jones

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Emily Sanjay

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Sarah Jones

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Emily Sanjay

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Jordan Walker

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This issue with Form 941 signatures is because of how the EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System) and e-filing systems sometimes don't communicate properly. When you e-file through a third party, the IRS occasionally flags returns for signature verification to prevent fraud, especially with employment tax forms. Here's what your brother-in-law should do: 1) Send back the signed declarations as requested 2) Include copies of the acceptance confirmations from the tax service 3) Call the IRS Business line and request to be marked as a seasonal employer if appropriate This should prevent the issue from recurring. Also worth noting that the LTR 3463C is just a verification letter, not a penalty notice, so there's no negative impact on his account.

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Natalie Adams

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Do you know if there's a way to check if you're already designated as a seasonal employer? I might be having the same issue but can't remember if I checked that box when I first started filing.

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Jordan Walker

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The easiest way to check your seasonal employer status is to look at your copy of the first Form 941 you filed for the year. On line 18, there should be a checkbox for "seasonal employer." If that box is checked, you're designated properly. If you don't have access to your form copies, you'll need to contact the IRS directly. When you get through, ask them to check if your EIN is flagged as a seasonal employer in their system. If it's not and you should be, they can update this for you during the call, which should help prevent these signature verification notices in the future.

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My tax preparer told me these Form 941 signature verification letters are happening more frequently because the IRS updated their e-file systems in 2023 and there are still some bugs in how they process third-party filings. Apparently older e-file systems had a specific signature verification process, but the newer system sometimes loses this information during processing, triggering these automatic notices. The good news is that signing and returning the declaration form resolves it completely, and there are no penalties or negative consequences.

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Amara Torres

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Do you know if this affects other business forms too? I've been e-filing my 1065 partnership returns and wonder if I should expect similar signature verification requests.

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I've been dealing with IRS notices for years as a small business owner, and this Form 941 signature verification issue is becoming more common. What's happening is that when you e-file through a third-party service, the IRS sometimes can't verify that YOU (the business owner) actually authorized the filing - even though the service submitted it correctly. The LTR 3463C is actually a good thing - it means the IRS received your forms but just wants confirmation they came from you. This is especially common when you have irregular filing patterns (like only filing one quarter per year). Your brother-in-law should definitely sign and return the declarations, but I'd also recommend he contact his tax service to ask about adding electronic signature authorization for future filings. Many services now offer enhanced e-signature verification that prevents these notices from being generated in the first place. The key thing is not to ignore it - even though there's no penalty mentioned, the IRS could flag future filings if they don't get the verification they're requesting.

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Jibriel Kohn

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This is really helpful context! I'm actually new to dealing with business tax issues and had no idea that third-party e-filing could cause these signature verification problems. When you mention "enhanced e-signature verification" - is that something all tax services offer now, or do you have to specifically request it? I'm helping my elderly neighbor with her small business taxes and want to make sure we avoid these kinds of notices in the future.

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@Jibriel Kohn Most modern tax services do offer enhanced e-signature verification, but it s'not always enabled by default. You ll'want to specifically ask about electronic "signature authorization or" PIN-based "authentication when" setting up the filing. Some services call it practitioner "PIN or" self-select "PIN. The" key is making sure the tax service captures your neighbor s'explicit authorization digitally rather than just filing on her behalf. This creates a clearer audit trail that the IRS can verify, which should prevent these LTR 3463C notices from being generated. For next year s'filings, I d'recommend asking the tax service to walk through their signature verification process before they submit anything. It s'a small extra step that can save a lot of headaches later!

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This is such a frustrating situation, but unfortunately it's becoming more common with business tax filings. I've seen this exact issue with several clients - the IRS e-filing system accepts the return, but then their verification system flags it for manual signature confirmation later. The fact that your brother-in-law only files for one quarter per year is likely triggering an automated review. The IRS system expects consistent quarterly filings, so when it sees sporadic activity, it generates these verification requests as a fraud prevention measure. My advice would be to sign and return the declarations immediately, but also have him call the IRS business line to clarify his filing status. If he's truly a seasonal employer who only pays wages one quarter per year, he should formally request seasonal employer designation. This will prevent future signature verification notices and make his filing pattern look normal to the IRS system. The good news is that since there's no penalty mentioned in the LTR 3463C, this is purely administrative and won't negatively impact his business tax account once resolved.

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Debra Bai

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This is really helpful advice about the seasonal employer designation! I had no idea that irregular filing patterns could trigger these automated reviews. As someone who's completely new to business tax issues, I'm wondering - is there a specific form or process for requesting seasonal employer status, or is it something you just discuss when you call the IRS? Also, does this designation affect anything else about how the business is treated for tax purposes, or is it purely for filing schedule purposes?

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