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Savanna Franklin

Gift Tax for Non-Residents: Transferring Real Estate from Individual to LLC without Consideration

Hey tax folks. My mother and I are both non-US citizens and non-residents. We understand that transferring intangible assets like US stocks between us isn't subject to gift tax under US law. Here's our situation - we have an LLC where she holds 75% interest and I have the remaining 25%. She currently owns a rental property in Florida that she wants to transfer to our LLC without receiving any payment or consideration in return. We're trying to figure out if this property transfer would qualify for the same gift tax exemption that applies to intangible assets between non-resident aliens, or if we'd be hit with gift tax since real estate is tangible. Has anyone dealt with something similar or know how the IRS treats these kinds of transfers for non-resident aliens? Any insights would be super helpful!

While transfers of intangible assets between non-resident aliens are generally exempt from US gift tax, real estate is considered tangible personal property with a US situs. This means the transfer would likely be subject to US gift tax rules. When your mother transfers the property to the LLC without consideration, it could be viewed as a gift to the LLC or indirectly to the members (including you). Non-resident aliens only get a $16,000 annual exclusion (for 2025) for gifts, unlike US citizens who receive the lifetime exemption. Consider exploring a "contribution to capital" approach where she contributes the property in exchange for maintaining her proportional ownership interest. This could potentially be structured as a non-taxable event under Section 721. However, since there's an ownership split (75/25), the IRS might view part of this as a gift to you.

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If they structure it as a contribution to capital, would there still be gift tax implications for the increased value of the LLC interest that would go to the son? Since he owns 25% of the LLC, wouldn't he essentially be receiving 25% of the value of the property as a gift?

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You're absolutely right about the potential gift tax implications. If the mother contributes the property to the LLC as capital while maintaining the current 75/25 ownership split, the son would effectively receive 25% of the property's value without providing consideration - which could trigger gift tax on that portion. To avoid this, she could contribute the property and adjust the ownership percentages to reflect the new capital contribution, essentially receiving additional LLC interests in exchange for the property. This would maintain proportional ownership based on capital contributions and potentially avoid the gift characterization. However, this changes their ownership structure, which may not align with their business goals.

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Did they actually solve your problem or just give general advice? I've tried so many "AI tax advisors" that just spit out generic information you could find on Google.

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How long did it take them to analyze your documents? I'm in a time crunch and need answers quickly for my sister's property transfer.

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Have you considered a sale to the LLC instead of a direct transfer? Your mother could sell the property to the LLC at fair market value, and then the LLC could make payments to her over time with a promissory note. This avoids the gift tax issue completely since it's a legitimate sale. Just make sure to document everything properly and use reasonable interest rates on the note to avoid having the IRS recharacterize it.

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Wouldn't this approach trigger income tax on any appreciation in the property value? Seems like trading one tax problem for another.

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You're right that a sale could trigger recognition of gain on appreciated property. The seller would potentially owe capital gains tax on the difference between the sale price and their adjusted basis in the property. For non-resident aliens, this is typically subject to FIRPTA withholding as well. However, this might still be preferable to gift tax in some scenarios. Gift tax rates go up to 40%, while long-term capital gains rates for most taxpayers would be lower. It really depends on how long they've held the property, how much appreciation has occurred, and their specific tax situation. They should compare the potential tax liability under both approaches.

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Could another option be contributing the property in exchange for a larger LLC interest? So instead of maintaining the 75/25 split, the mother receives additional LLC interest proportional to the property value, increasing her percentage ownership. Later on she could gift LLC interests gradually to her child using the annual gift tax exclusion ($16k/year for non-resident aliens).

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This is what we did with our family LLC! My father contributed a property worth about $500k and his ownership percentage went from 60% to 78%. Then he started gifting small percentages of LLC interest each year using the annual exclusion. It's a longer process but worked well for us. Make sure you get regular valuations of the LLC interests though - the IRS looks closely at valuation of these gifts.

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As a non-resident alien myself who went through a similar property transfer, I'd strongly recommend getting a professional appraisal of the Florida property before proceeding with any option. The IRS will scrutinize the valuation heavily, especially for non-resident alien transactions. One approach that worked for my family was structuring it as a contribution to capital where your mother receives additional LLC interests proportional to the property value, then gradually gifts LLC interests back to you over several years using the annual exclusion. This spreads out any potential tax impact and gives you more control over timing. Also keep in mind that Florida has no state gift tax, but you'll still need to comply with federal requirements. Make sure to file Form 3520-A if the LLC is treated as a foreign trust for tax purposes, which can happen with certain ownership structures involving non-resident aliens. Document everything meticulously - the IRS pays extra attention to related-party transactions involving real estate and non-resident aliens. Consider having the LLC formally adopt a resolution authorizing the capital contribution and get independent valuations to support the transaction.

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This is really helpful advice about the appraisal requirement! I'm curious about the Form 3520-A filing you mentioned - when exactly would an LLC be treated as a foreign trust for tax purposes? Is this something that happens automatically with non-resident alien ownership, or does it depend on specific provisions in the operating agreement? I want to make sure we don't miss any filing requirements that could trigger penalties later.

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