Form 8898 Filing Requirements for U.S. Territory Residents & Paying 2023 Tax
Hey tax wizards of reddit, I'm drowning in confusion about my 2023 taxes and Form 8898. I moved from California to Guam in March 2023 for a job with the local government there. I think I qualify as a bona fide resident now, but the whole process is making my head hurt! First off, my income for 2023 was only about $35k from my Guam government position. Do I need to file Form 8898 at all? The instructions mention a $75k threshold but I'm not sure if that applies to my situation since I'm working for the territorial government. Second question - do I even need to file regular US federal taxes, or just Guam taxes since that's where my income is coming from now? I haven't been back to the mainland since late 2022 (was visiting family in the Philippines before starting this job). Last thing - I cashed out some savings bonds at the US military base in the Philippines right before moving to Guam. Does that count as federal income that needs to go on Schedule D? Is there a minimum interest amount I need to report or should I just include it regardless? Sorry for the barrage of questions! Tax season is giving me serious anxiety this year with all these changes.
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Anthony Young
The good news is that your tax situation is actually simpler than you might think! For your first question about Form 8898 - you don't need to file it if your income is below $75,000. The form is specifically for reporting a change in residency to a U.S. territory, but the instructions clearly state that you only need to file it if your worldwide gross income is more than $75,000 for the year. Since you're only at $35k, you can skip this form entirely. Regarding filing requirements - if you're a bona fide resident of Guam, you generally file your tax return only with Guam, not with the IRS. Your worldwide income (including your Guam government salary) is reported on that return. The key is establishing that you're truly a bona fide resident, which requires things like permanent housing there, community ties, etc. For your savings bonds - yes, the interest from U.S. savings bonds is federally taxable income. However, you wouldn't use Schedule D for this, as bonds aren't capital assets. Instead, the interest would be reported as interest income on Schedule B if required (if total interest exceeds $1,500) or directly on your 1040. Since you're filing with Guam, you'd report this on your Guam territorial return.
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Charlotte White
•If they're filing in Guam only, do they need to report the bond interest to the IRS at all? Also, how exactly does someone establish "bona fide residency" for tax purposes? Is 9 months enough time?
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Anthony Young
•If they're a bona fide resident of Guam filing their return there, they don't need to separately report the bond interest to the IRS. All their worldwide income (including the bond interest) goes on their Guam territorial return instead of a U.S. federal return. For establishing bona fide residency, there's no set time requirement like "9 months" - it's based on your facts and circumstances. The IRS looks at factors like whether you have a permanent home there, your ties to the community, where your family lives, where you're registered to vote, where you have bank accounts and other financial ties, and your intent to remain in the territory indefinitely. Working for the territorial government is definitely a strong factor in your favor.
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Admin_Masters
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Matthew Sanchez
•Does it work for all the territories or just USVI? I'm moving to American Samoa next year and wondering if I could use it.
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Ella Thompson
•I'm skeptical about these tax tools. Did it actually save you money compared to just using TurboTax or something similar? And how does it handle complex situations like partial year residency?
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Admin_Masters
•It works for all US territories including American Samoa. I actually asked their support team that exact question before using it because I was considering a job in Guam too. As for saving money, it absolutely did compared to TurboTax. TurboTax kept trying to make me file both a federal and territorial return which wasn't correct for my situation. The territorial filing rules are super specific and most mainstream tax software doesn't handle them well. It handles partial year residency by analyzing exactly when you established bona fide residency and calculating what income belongs where. In my case it determined my exact residency establishment date based on my documentation.
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Ella Thompson
I just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai. I was skeptical at first (as you can see from my previous comment), but after struggling with my Puerto Rico residency situation, I decided to give it a try. Honestly, I was blown away. The system immediately flagged that I didn't need to file Form 8898 since I was under the income threshold, just like OP's situation. It also correctly determined I only needed to file with Puerto Rico's tax authority since I met the bona fide residency test. The document organization feature was clutch - it compiled all my evidence of residency (lease, utility bills, driver's license) into a single PDF with a summary page explaining my tax position. Feeling much more confident about my filing now and saved about $400 compared to what an accountant quoted me.
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JacksonHarris
If you need to speak with the IRS to confirm your filing requirements (which I HIGHLY recommend), use https://claimyr.com to get through to them. I spent 3 weeks trying to get someone on the phone about my Guam residency status last year, always getting disconnected after waiting on hold for hours. Used Claimyr and got a callback from the IRS in about 20 minutes. The agent confirmed I didn't need to file Form 8898 since I was under the $75k threshold and explained exactly how to handle my bond interest from stateside banks. They also have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Having an actual IRS agent confirm my filing status gave me total peace of mind. I was terrified of doing it wrong and getting hit with penalties later.
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Jeremiah Brown
•How much does that cost? The IRS phone lines are free even if they're a pain to get through.
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Royal_GM_Mark
•This sounds like BS. No way you're getting an IRS callback in 20 minutes when millions of people are trying to reach them. I've literally never gotten through no matter what time of day I call.
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JacksonHarris
•Nothing compared to the value of my time and stress. It was worth every penny to not spend hours on hold or getting disconnected repeatedly. The service just holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is available. The 20-minute callback time varies depending on when you call. I used it early in the morning on a Tuesday which is apparently one of the least busy times. My friend used it during peak filing season and had about a 2-hour wait, but still got the callback as promised. Much better than being stuck on hold unable to do anything else with your phone.
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Royal_GM_Mark
I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I was still struggling to get through to the IRS about my American Samoa tax situation. Out of desperation I tried the service. Got a callback in about 45 minutes (midday on a Thursday). The IRS agent was super helpful and confirmed that as a bona fide resident of American Samoa under the $75k threshold, I didn't need Form 8898. She also explained exactly how to handle my mainland rental property income on my territorial return. I've been trying to reach the IRS for THREE MONTHS with no success. Should have done this way earlier and saved myself a ton of stress. Sorry for being so cynical before!
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Amelia Cartwright
Just to add a bit more info about bona fide residency in territories - I've lived in USVI for 10 years and dealt with this every year. The critical factors are: 1. Physical presence (sounds like you've got this covered) 2. No tax home in the US (also seems fine for you) 3. Closer connection to the territory than the US The closer connection test is the trickiest. Do you have a permanent home there? Bank accounts? Driver's license? Registered to vote? The more connections you have to Guam rather than Hawaii, the better.
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Aurora Lacasse
•Thanks for breaking this down! I do have permanent housing (signed a 2-year lease), got my Guam driver's license, opened a local bank account, and registered to vote there. Sounds like I'm on the right track? The job is definitely permanent, not temporary.
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Amelia Cartwright
•You're absolutely good to go with those connections! The government job, 2-year lease, driver's license, local bank account and voter registration all strongly establish your bona fide residency. Those are exactly the factors the IRS looks for. The fact that your job is permanent rather than temporary is also hugely important. With all those elements in place, you should confidently file only with Guam and skip Form 8898 since you're under the income threshold. Keep documentation of all these things just in case, but you've clearly established your new tax home.
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Chris King
One thing nobody mentioned - make sure you keep REALLY good records of when you physically left Hawaii and arrived in Guam. My friend got audited over his USVI status and they wanted exact dates with proof (flight itineraries, etc).
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Rachel Clark
•This is super important. I got questioned about my PR residency and had to provide bank statements showing transactions in PR starting from my move date. Also had to show my last transactions in Florida before I left.
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Freya Larsen
Great advice from everyone here! As someone who went through a similar transition moving to Puerto Rico, I wanted to add that you should also be aware of Guam's specific territorial tax laws since they can differ from other territories. Since you're working for the Guam government, you'll likely need to file Form 1040GU (Guam's version of the 1040) rather than a standard U.S. return. Guam follows most federal tax laws but has some unique provisions, especially for government employees. Also, regarding your savings bonds - definitely keep all the documentation from when you cashed them out, including the exact dates and amounts. Even though you'll report this on your Guam return rather than federal, having clear records will help if there are any questions later. One last tip: consider getting a Guam tax ID number if you haven't already. It makes the filing process smoother and establishes another paper trail for your residency status. You can apply through the Guam Department of Revenue and Taxation. Sounds like you're well on your way to establishing bona fide residency with all those connections you mentioned! The anxiety is totally normal - territorial tax situations can feel overwhelming at first, but you're asking all the right questions.
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Keisha Jackson
•This is really helpful info about Form 1040GU! I had no idea Guam had its own version of the 1040. Quick question - do you know if there are any differences in how government employee benefits are taxed on the Guam return versus federal? I get some local benefits that I'm not sure how to handle. Also, thanks for mentioning the Guam tax ID. I'll definitely look into getting one. Is there a specific deadline for applying, or can I do it anytime during the year?
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