Form 8833 Requirements for Germany-US Tax Treaty on Rental Income
I'm a permanent resident living in Chicago and own a rental property in Germany that generates income. I've already filed and paid taxes on this rental income in Germany for 2024. According to Article 6 of the Income Tax Treaty between Germany and the US (which Illinois also recognizes), it states: "Income derived by a resident of a Contracting State from immovable (real) property (including income from agriculture or forestry) situated in the other Contracting State may be taxed in that other State." Based on this, I believe my German rental income should only be taxed in Germany, so I need to include Form 8833 with my 2024 filing to claim this treaty benefit. In my draft tax return, I've added negative offsets equal to my rental income in: - Schedule 1 (Form 1040), line 8 for federal - Form 8960, line 7 for federal - IL-1040, line 2 under "Federal Income and Adjustments" for Illinois Since this is my first time claiming a treaty benefit, I have a few questions: 1) Form 8833 asks for "Address in country of residence" and "Address in the United States" - but I only have my Chicago address. Should I list the same address twice or leave one field empty? 2) For the explanation in field 6 of Form 8833, is this sufficient detail? "Total 2024 rental income: EUR 12250.00 = USD 13475.00 Average 2024 conversion rate: 1.10 USD/EUR" 3) For "Other Income - Supporting Details for Schedule 1 (Form 1040), Line 8" and the state form's supporting details, I wrote "Tax Treaty (see: Form 8833)" - should I include anything else?
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Jamal Washington
You're on the right track with claiming treaty benefits for your German rental property. Form 8833 can be tricky the first time around! For your address questions, since you're a US resident (green card holder), your "Address in country of residence" would be your Chicago address. The "Address in the United States" would also be your Chicago address. It might seem redundant, but the form is designed to accommodate various residency situations, so filling in both with the same address is correct. Regarding the explanation in field 6, you'll want to be a bit more specific. I would recommend something like: "Under Article 6 of the US-Germany Tax Treaty, rental income from real property located in Germany may be taxed in Germany. I received EUR 12250.00 (USD 13475.00 at 1.10 USD/EUR average exchange rate) in rental income from my property in Germany during tax year 2024. This income was reported and taxed in Germany. I am excluding this income from my US taxable income under the treaty." For your supporting documentation notations, what you have is good, but I'd slightly expand it to: "Tax Treaty exclusion - German rental income (see: Form 8833)" to be clearer about what you're excluding. Make sure you keep documentation of the German tax paid in case of any questions from the IRS.
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Mei Wong
•Thanks for the detailed answer! One follow-up question - do I still need to report the rental income on Schedule E first, and then exclude it via the negative adjustment on Schedule 1? Or should I just skip reporting it on Schedule E altogether? Also, will including Form 8833 increase my chances of being audited? I'm a bit nervous about claiming treaty benefits for the first time.
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Jamal Washington
•You should definitely report the rental income on Schedule E first. The IRS wants to see the full picture of your income before exclusions. So complete Schedule E with all your rental income and expenses, include the net amount on your 1040, then use the negative adjustment on Schedule 1 to exclude the income. As for audit risk, Form 8833 doesn't automatically trigger an audit. The IRS is familiar with tax treaties, and many taxpayers use them legitimately. That said, it's always good to have thorough documentation - keep records of your German tax payments, property documents, and any relevant correspondence. Being well-prepared is your best defense if questions arise.
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Liam Fitzgerald
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Sofia Gomez
One thing to be aware of that nobody mentioned - you might still need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if you have foreign bank accounts over $10,000 related to your German property. The tax treaty doesn't exempt you from FBAR filing requirements. Also, check if you need Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) depending on the value of your German property and accounts. These are separate from the tax treaty considerations but still important for compliance.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
•Thanks for bringing this up! I do file FBAR for my German accounts, but I wasn't sure about Form 8938. Is the rental property itself considered a "foreign financial asset" that needs to be reported on Form 8938, or just the related bank accounts?
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Sofia Gomez
•Foreign real estate directly owned is not reportable on Form 8938. You only need to report the financial accounts associated with the property (rental income accounts, security deposits, etc.) if they meet the reporting threshold. However, if your property is held through a foreign entity like a German GmbH, then the interest in that entity would be reportable. Based on your description, it sounds like you own the property directly, so just report the bank accounts on both FBAR and Form 8938 if they meet the respective thresholds.
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StormChaser
When I filled out Form 8833 for my Berlin apartment rental income, I made sure to reference the specific paragraph number of Article 6 in Part III, not just the article number. Makes it clearer for the IRS. Also, double check the amounts you're excluding match exactly across all the forms - I had a discrepancy of a few dollars due to rounding when converting euros, and it caused a letter from the IRS asking for clarification.
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Dmitry Petrov
•Good point about the specific paragraph numbers. I actually attach a copy of the treaty article with my return just to be super clear. For the currency conversion, did you use daily rates or annual average? I've heard different advice about which the IRS prefers.
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Michael Adams
I've been dealing with similar German rental property issues for several years now. A few additional tips based on my experience: Make sure you're calculating the exchange rate correctly - the IRS allows you to use either the yearly average exchange rate published by the Treasury or the rate on the date you received each payment. I personally use the yearly average because it's simpler and well-documented. For your Form 8833 explanation, I'd suggest being even more specific about which paragraph of Article 6 you're relying on. Something like: "Under Article 6, paragraph 1 of the United States-Germany Income Tax Treaty, income from immovable property situated in Germany may be taxed in Germany. Pursuant to this provision, I am excluding EUR 12,250 (USD 13,475 using Treasury yearly average rate of 1.10) in German rental income that was reported and taxed in Germany." One more thing - keep excellent records of your German tax payments and the exchange rates you used. The IRS sometimes follows up on treaty claims, and having everything documented makes the process much smoother. I scan and organize all my German tax documents each year specifically for this purpose. Your negative adjustment approach sounds correct - that's exactly how I handle it on my returns.
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