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Form 1040 for 2020... Which line shows your adjusted gross income vs taxable income?

I'm working on my 2020 taxes (yeah I know I'm way behind) and I'm super confused about something basic. I keep hearing people say that Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) is the same as taxable income. But looking at my Form 1040, line 11 shows AGI and then line 15 shows taxable income - and they're completely different numbers! Like thousands of dollars different. Can someone explain why these numbers aren't the same if they're supposed to be? Am I misunderstanding something fundamental about how taxes work? This is throwing me off because I need to report my AGI for a rental application and I'm not sure which number they actually want.

AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) and taxable income are definitely not the same thing, so whoever told you that was incorrect. On the 2020 Form 1040, your AGI is on line 11, which is your total income minus certain adjustments (like student loan interest, self-employment tax, etc). Your taxable income (line 15) will always be lower than your AGI because it's what's left after you subtract either the standard deduction or your itemized deductions, and any qualified business income deductions. That's why the numbers are different - the government doesn't tax your full AGI. For your rental application, they almost certainly want your AGI (line 11). That's the number typically used for qualifying for loans, rentals, healthcare subsidies, etc. since it represents your total income before the personal deductions are taken out.

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Thanks for explaining! So if my AGI is $58,250 and my taxable income is $40,050, the difference is basically the standard deduction plus any other deductions I qualify for? Is that why my taxable income is so much lower?

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That's exactly right. If you're single, the 2020 standard deduction was $12,400, so the remaining difference would be from other deductions you qualified for. If you're married filing jointly, the standard deduction was $24,800, which would explain most of that difference. Remember that having a lower taxable income is a good thing - it means you pay taxes on less of your total income. For your rental application, just make sure you're using the AGI figure from line 11, as landlords want to know your income before those personal deductions.

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Just to add more confusion to this thread - there's also Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) which is different from both AGI and taxable income. Some financial aid forms ask for MAGI instead of AGI and it's calculated by adding back some deductions to your AGI. For 2020 Form 1040, you'd start with your AGI (line 11) and then add back things like student loan interest, tuition deductions, IRA contributions, etc. It's super confusing because different programs calculate MAGI differently. Tax forms should come with a translator lol.

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Omg this is getting more confusing. So for FAFSA do I use AGI or MAGI? And where exactly on the 2020 form would I find MAGI? Is it a specific line number or do I have to calculate it?

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For the FAFSA, you use AGI (line 11 on your 2020 Form 1040), not MAGI. That's one of the simpler ones! There's no specific line for MAGI on your tax return - you have to calculate it based on which program is asking for it. For example, for ACA healthcare subsidies, you start with AGI and add back certain deductions. For IRA contribution limits, the calculation is slightly different. That's why it's so confusing - MAGI isn't one fixed number but varies depending on what it's being used for.

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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the tax system is so complicated that we can't even figure out what our actual income is? Like there are at least 3 different versions of "income" on one form (total income, AGI, taxable income) and they all mean different things. And then there's MAGI which isn't even on the form! How is a regular person supposed to understand this stuff??

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The system is intentionally complicated to benefit wealthy people who can pay accountants to find all the loopholes. I did my own taxes for years until I started a small business and now I pay an accountant $400 just so I don't accidentally commit tax fraud. It's ridiculous.

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RIGHT?? That's exactly it. I don't have $400 for an accountant, so I'm just over here googling basic tax terms and praying I don't mess up something major. The fact that we have to have this conversation to figure out which line on a form shows our actual income is proof the system is broken.

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I completely feel your frustration! I went through this exact same confusion last year when I was doing my 2019 taxes. The terminology is absolutely mind-boggling for regular people. Just to clarify for the original poster - your AGI (line 11) is what you'll need for most applications like rentals, loans, etc. The $18,200 difference between your AGI and taxable income sounds about right when you factor in the 2020 standard deduction plus any other deductions you qualified for. What helped me was thinking of it this way: AGI is your "real" income after work-related adjustments, taxable income is what the government actually taxes you on after personal deductions, and MAGI is just AGI with some stuff added back for specific programs. It's still unnecessarily complicated, but at least there's some logic to it. The fact that we need entire Reddit threads to explain basic tax concepts shows how broken this system is. Other countries have much simpler tax systems where the government just tells you what you owe!

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This is exactly the kind of breakdown I needed! I've been staring at my Form 1040 for hours trying to figure out which number to use for different things. Your explanation about thinking of AGI as "real" income vs taxable income as what gets taxed makes so much sense. It's wild that other countries just tell people what they owe. Here we have to become part-time tax experts just to file our own returns. Thanks for putting this in perspective - at least now I know I'm not the only one who finds this system completely backwards!

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