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Filing for an extension when expecting a tax refund - confusion about Form 4868

Hey everyone! So my wife and I need to file for a tax extension, but we're expecting a refund back. I'm super confused about how to handle this on the extension form because it asks for how much we owe... and we don't owe anything! We're actually expecting money back, though I have no idea exactly how much we'll get. For anyone wondering why we need an extension if we're getting money back - we're waiting on a SSN for our daughter whose adoption we finalized in December. We submitted the paperwork for her SSN in January but... well, you know how the Social Security Administration moves at a glacial pace lol. What exactly are you supposed to put in sections 4-7 on the tax extension form (Form 4868) if you don't owe anything but still need more time? Those sections all seem to be about paying what you owe, but that doesn't apply to our situation.

Ella Cofer

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You're in a very common situation! When filing for an extension using Form 4868 and you're expecting a refund, you can simply enter "0" in lines 4-7. The extension form is primarily designed for people who owe taxes to make payments, but it works just the same for those expecting refunds. The extension gives you until October 15th to file your complete return, but keep in mind it's only an extension to file your paperwork, not an extension to pay any taxes owed (which doesn't apply in your case since you're expecting a refund). For your specific situation with the pending SSN for your adopted daughter, this is absolutely the right approach. Once you receive her SSN, you'll be able to claim her as a dependent and receive any associated tax credits you're entitled to, like the Child Tax Credit.

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Taylor To

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Thank you so much for clearing that up! One more question - will this delay our refund until after we file our complete return in October? Or is there a way to file a partial return now to get some of our refund and then amend later when we have our daughter's SSN?

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Ella Cofer

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You'll need to wait until you file your complete return to receive your refund. Unfortunately, there's no mechanism for a "partial return" in the tax system. Filing an amended return later isn't ideal in this case because you'd have to file without claiming your daughter first (potentially missing significant tax benefits), then amend later. Since you know you'll be able to claim additional benefits once you have her SSN, it's typically better to extend and file one complete, accurate return.

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Adrian Connor

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Don't forget that even though you're expecting a refund, you should still estimate your taxes to make sure you really don't owe. Sometimes people assume they're getting a refund but end up owing. You can use the IRS withholding calculator or any tax software to run a rough estimate before filing the extension.

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Taylor To

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Thanks for the reminder! We've actually done a rough calculation already using last year's TurboTax, and even without claiming our daughter, we should be getting about $1,200 back. Once we add her as a dependent plus the child tax credit, it should be quite a bit more. But your point is super valid - better to check than assume!

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Adrian Connor

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Good job on being proactive with that calculation! Too many people just assume and get surprised later. With the Child Tax Credit for 2024 being $2,000 per qualifying child (assuming your income doesn't phase it out), you should see a nice boost to your refund once you're able to claim your daughter. The Adoption Tax Credit could also apply if you had qualified adoption expenses, which could be up to $15,950 per child depending on your specific situation.

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Aisha Jackson

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Quick question - does anyone know if we'd be better off just filing without claiming our adopted child and then doing an amended return later when the SSN comes? Our tax guy suggested this but I've heard amended returns can trigger audits?

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Ella Cofer

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I would strongly recommend against that approach. While amended returns don't automatically trigger audits, you'd be missing out on receiving your full refund now, and the amended return process can take 16+ weeks for processing. With the extension, you'll wait longer to file initially, but you'll get your complete refund in one payment. Plus, amended returns can be more complex and potentially cost more if you're using a tax professional. The extension is specifically designed for situations like yours.

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Kristin Frank

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I went through this exact situation two years ago when we adopted our son! The waiting for the SSN while tax season loomed was so stressful. Just want to echo what others have said - definitely go with the extension rather than filing without claiming your daughter and amending later. One thing I wish someone had told me is to gather all your adoption-related documents now while you're waiting. Things like court documents, attorney fees, agency fees, home study costs, travel expenses if you had any - these can all potentially qualify for the Adoption Tax Credit. Having everything organized made filing so much smoother once we finally got that SSN. Also, don't be surprised if your refund ends up being significantly higher than you initially calculated. Between the Child Tax Credit, potentially the Adoption Tax Credit, and any other credits you might qualify for, we were pleasantly shocked at our final refund amount. The wait was definitely worth it to file one complete, accurate return!

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