Excess Business Loss Limitation Question for Real Estate Professional Status
My CPA just hit me with some news that's got me puzzled. Apparently there's a limit on how much we can deduct in passive losses because of our adjusted gross income (around $410k and we're married filing jointly). My spouse works a corporate job with a substantial W2 income while I work full-time in real estate as a real estate professional. I was always under the impression that having real estate professional status meant our rental property losses would be considered active losses instead of passive, which would allow us to offset my spouse's income with these losses. That was kind of the whole point of qualifying for real estate professional status in the first place. Is there something we're missing about how these losses are treated? Are there additional rules that apply at higher income levels even with real estate professional status? UPDATE: I just had a follow-up meeting with my CPA and we figured out the issue. She had incorrectly classified me as an active real estate participant instead of a real estate professional. Once we corrected that classification, the excess business loss limitation disappeared. Posting this in case anyone else runs into similar confusion!
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Ava Harris
The confusion here makes total sense! There's a big difference between being an "active participant" in real estate versus qualifying as a "real estate professional" under IRS rules, and many CPAs mix these up if they don't specialize in real estate taxation. As a real estate professional (assuming you meet the 750+ hours and 50%+ of your working time requirements), your rental real estate activities are not considered passive. This means those losses can offset your spouse's W2 income without passive loss limitations. The "active participant" designation is much easier to qualify for but doesn't provide the same benefits - it just allows you to deduct up to $25,000 in passive losses (which phases out between $100,000-$150,000 AGI). It sounds like your CPA initially had you classified wrong, which triggered the Excess Business Loss limitation. Glad you got it corrected!
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Jacob Lee
•Wait, I'm confused about something. I thought there was still an Excess Business Loss limitation that applies even to real estate professionals if the loss is too large? Isn't there some rule about not being able to deduct more than $270,000 (for MFJ) in business losses against other income? Or does the real estate professional status completely bypass that too?
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Ava Harris
•You're actually bringing up a good point that many people miss! There are two different limitations at play here. The Passive Activity Loss (PAL) rules are bypassed when you qualify as a real estate professional, allowing rental losses to offset other income types like W2 wages. However, there is still the Excess Business Loss (EBL) limitation that applies regardless of real estate professional status. For 2024, this limits business losses to $306,000 for married filing jointly ($153,000 for other filers) that can offset non-business income. Any excess gets carried forward as a Net Operating Loss. In the original poster's case, it seems their real estate losses weren't large enough to trigger the EBL limitation once properly classified as a real estate professional, but this is definitely something to watch for with larger losses.
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Maria Gonzalez
The real estate professional status has been a game changer for my family's tax situation. My wife is a physician making about $380k and I manage our rental properties full-time. Make sure you're documenting EVERYTHING to support your real estate professional status. The IRS scrutinizes this heavily. I keep a detailed hourly log with descriptions of activities, maintain a separate business email just for real estate, track mileage for property visits, and save all communication with tenants, contractors, etc. My CPA says good documentation is the difference between sailing through an audit and having your classification rejected.
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Natalie Chen
•How detailed does your hour log need to be? I'm just writing down "property maintenance - 3 hours" or "tenant calls - 1 hour" but I'm worried that's not enough if I get audited.
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Maria Gonzalez
•Your log needs to be much more detailed to stand up in an audit. Instead of "property maintenance - 3 hours," you should write something like "Property at 123 Main St: Coordinated with plumber for bathroom leak repair, met contractor on-site, inspected work, processed payment - 3 hours." The IRS looks for contemporaneous records (created at the time of activity, not reconstructed later) with specific activities that demonstrate you're performing real duties of a real estate professional. Include addresses, specific tasks, who you communicated with, and results of activities. I also recommend using a digital calendar or time-tracking app that timestamps entries. This creates stronger evidence that the log was maintained in real-time rather than created retroactively if you're audited.
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Santiago Martinez
Does anyone know if property management counts toward the 750+ hours for real estate professional status? My spouse works in corporate but I manage our 8 rentals. It's definitely over 750 hours yearly but it's mostly tenant communication, maintenance coordination, and financial management rather than buying/selling properties.
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Ava Harris
•Yes, property management absolutely counts toward your 750+ hours! The IRS specifically includes management activities in their definition of "real property trades or businesses." This covers tenant screening, lease negotiations, collecting rent, arranging repairs, property inspections, bookkeeping for your properties, researching market rates, and even time spent driving to and from your properties for business purposes. Just make sure you're keeping detailed logs of all these activities with dates, times, descriptions, and properties involved. Documentation is crucial if your real estate professional status gets questioned.
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Santiago Martinez
•Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed to know. I've been keeping logs in my calendar app but will make the descriptions more detailed based on your advice. Such a relief to know my management activities count since that's the bulk of my work with our properties.
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Mei Liu
This is such a common issue that trips up both taxpayers and CPAs! I've seen this exact misclassification happen multiple times in my experience with real estate investors. The key distinction that many people miss is that real estate professional status completely removes your rental activities from the passive activity rules - meaning those losses can offset ANY type of income (W2, business, investment, etc.) without limitation. This is huge for high-income earners like you and your spouse. However, as others have mentioned, you're still subject to the Excess Business Loss limitation if your losses are substantial. For 2024, that threshold is $306,000 for married filing jointly. Any losses above that amount get carried forward as a Net Operating Loss carryforward. The documentation requirements are also critical - make sure you're keeping detailed contemporaneous records of your hours and activities. The IRS scrutinizes real estate professional status heavily, especially for high-income taxpayers. I'd recommend using a digital time-tracking system that timestamps entries to create stronger audit protection. Glad you got it resolved! This is exactly why it's important to work with a CPA who specializes in real estate taxation - these nuances can make a huge difference in your tax liability.
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Dylan Campbell
•This is really helpful information! I'm just starting to learn about real estate investing and taxes, so forgive me if this is a basic question - but how do you prove to the IRS that you're spending more than 50% of your working time on real estate activities? Like, if someone has a part-time job but spends most of their time managing rentals, how do you calculate that percentage? Do you need to track every single hour of both your regular job and your real estate work?
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