Does the IRS impose a marriage penalty for couples claiming losses on rental properties?
My wife and I are trying to figure out if we're getting screwed by the tax code because we're married. Here's our situation: We each make about $130k in income (so $260k combined). Before we got married, we each owned a rental property. Both properties are operating at a loss right now. When we were single, we could each claim up to $25,000 in losses against our regular income through Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations). The properties qualified as "Rental Real Estate Activities With Active Participation" in Part IV, and we could take advantage of the allowance in Part II, reducing our taxable income on Schedule 1, Line 5 and ultimately on Form 1040, Line 8. Now that we're married, it seems like we're totally screwed either way: If we file Married Filing Jointly (MFJ), our combined MAGI of $260k exceeds the $150k threshold on Form 8582, Line 5, so we can't claim ANY of our rental losses. If we file Married Filing Separately (MFS), Form 8582 instructions say that if we lived together "at any time during the year" (which obviously we did), we can't even complete Part II and have to go straight to Line 10, which ends up being zero. So basically, it seems like the second we got married, we lost the ability to claim any rental property losses that we could easily claim when single. Is this really how it works? Seems like a textbook example of the "marriage penalty" in taxes.
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Jay Lincoln
You've got it exactly right, and this is indeed one of the clearest examples of the marriage penalty in our tax code. The passive activity loss rules were specifically designed to prevent higher-income taxpayers from using rental losses to offset their regular income, and the $150,000 MAGI threshold applies regardless of whether you're single or married filing jointly. When you're married, the phase-out range for rental real estate losses with active participation starts at $100,000 and completely eliminates the deduction at $150,000 of MAGI. Since your combined income is $260,000, you're well over this threshold when filing jointly. And you're correct about MFS - it essentially prevents you from claiming these losses altogether if you lived together at any point during the tax year. Unfortunately, this is one of those situations where the tax code definitely penalizes married couples. You might want to look into whether you can increase the income from your rental properties or decrease their expenses to minimize the losses you can't currently utilize. These disallowed losses aren't lost forever - they're suspended and can be used in future years when you either have passive income or when you eventually sell the properties.
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Jessica Suarez
•Thanks for confirming. Quick follow-up question: Do these suspended losses accumulate year after year until we can use them? And if we end up selling one of the properties for a gain in the future, can we apply all those accumulated suspended losses against that gain?
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Jay Lincoln
•Yes, these suspended losses accumulate indefinitely until you can use them. They carry forward year after year with no expiration date, so nothing is permanently lost - just deferred. When you eventually sell one of the properties, you can apply the suspended losses associated with that specific property against any gain from the sale. This is actually one of the benefits of these rules - when you dispose of the property in a fully taxable transaction, you get to unlock all the suspended losses from that particular property, even if you're still over the MAGI threshold.
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Marcus Williams
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Lily Young
•Does it actually help with determining if you qualify as a real estate professional? I thought you needed 750+ hours working in real estate activities and more hours than any other job? How detailed do you need to be with logging your time?
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Kennedy Morrison
•I'm interested too but skeptical. How exactly would this help with the marriage penalty issue? If combined income is over $150k, isn't that just how the law works regardless of what software you use?
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Marcus Williams
•Yes, it has a specific feature that helps track and document hours for the real estate professional designation. It walks you through what activities qualify and helps you maintain detailed logs that meet IRS requirements. You do need to meet the 750+ hours threshold and spend more time on real estate than other employment, but the tool helps identify activities you might not have considered that count toward that total. The marriage penalty issue isn't completely eliminated, but the tool identified that my spouse could qualify as a real estate professional based on their involvement, which then removes these losses from passive activity loss limitations altogether. This means the income threshold doesn't apply if one spouse qualifies as a real estate professional, effectively working around the marriage penalty issue. The software doesn't change tax law, but it does help identify legitimate exceptions you might qualify for.
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Lily Young
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Wesley Hallow
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Justin Chang
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Grace Thomas
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Wesley Hallow
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Grace Thomas
I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate to talk to someone at the IRS about our rental property losses. The service actually worked exactly as advertised. I got a call back in about 20 minutes with an IRS agent already on the line. The agent walked me through exactly how to document our suspended losses from our rental properties and confirmed that we can use them when we eventually sell, even though we can't use them now due to the marriage penalty issue. What surprised me most was how helpful the IRS agent was once I actually got through to them. They explained some options for grouping our properties differently in future tax years that might help our situation. Definitely worth it for anyone struggling with complex tax issues like these passive activity loss limitations.
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Hunter Brighton
This situation totally sucks, but there's one workaround nobody's mentioned yet. If one spouse qualifies as a "real estate professional" (750+ hours working on real estate activities + more time than spent on any other job), then the rental properties aren't considered passive activities anymore. This means the $25,000 allowance and the MAGI limitations don't even apply - you could deduct ALL the losses against your regular income. But the catch is you need to materially participate in the rental activities and document everything meticulously. My accountant had me start keeping a detailed log of every hour I spend on property management, repairs, research, etc. It's not easy to qualify, but if one of you is already spending significant time managing your rentals, it might be worth exploring.
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Brooklyn Foley
•That's really interesting! Do both properties have to be managed by the same spouse to qualify? My wife handles one property and I handle the other. Would we both need to meet the 750-hour requirement separately?
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Hunter Brighton
•For the real estate professional exception to work in your situation, only one spouse needs to qualify as a real estate professional. However, that spouse would need to materially participate in BOTH properties for the losses to be fully deductible. If your wife meets the 750-hour threshold and spends more time on real estate than other employment, but only materially participates in her property (not yours), then only her property would qualify for the exception. Your property would still be subject to the passive activity rules. The key is that the qualifying spouse needs to materially participate in each property you want to claim non-passive losses for.
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Dylan Baskin
Has anyone successfully "grouped" their rental properties as a single activity under Reg. 1.469-4? I was reading that this might help with the material participation requirements if you're trying to qualify as a real estate professional.
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Lauren Wood
•Yes, grouping can be super helpful! We did this last year. You need to file a statement with your tax return declaring that you're treating the properties as a single activity. The properties have to have some commonality - like being in the same geographic area or requiring similar management. The benefit is huge - instead of having to materially participate in each property separately (which is 500+ hours per property), you just need to meet material participation for the group as a whole. But beware - once you group them, it's hard to ungroup them later without IRS permission.
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Dylan Baskin
•Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know! I was worried about meeting the hour requirements for each property individually. Our properties are all in the same county and we manage them similarly, so it sounds like grouping would work for us. One follow-up question - does this grouping election also help with the marriage penalty issue specifically, or just with qualifying for material participation?
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