Do I put my employer's EIN on form 843? Confused about how to complete this form
I'm trying to fill out Form 843 to request a refund of a fee that I believe was charged in error. I noticed there's a box for an EIN on the form, and I went ahead and put my employer's EIN in that space. Now I'm second-guessing myself - was that the right thing to do? Or is that EIN field only supposed to be used if I'm an employer myself? The instructions aren't super clear to me, and I don't want to delay my refund request because I filled something out wrong. Has anyone gone through this process before who could help? I've never had to file this particular form before, and I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Also, I'm confused about the sections where I need to explain the reasons for the refund request. How detailed do I need to be? The fee was around $375 and I have documentation showing why I believe it was charged incorrectly.
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Ethan Scott
The EIN field on Form 843 is actually asking for YOUR identification number - either your Social Security Number (SSN) if you're filing as an individual or your own Employer Identification Number (EIN) if you're filing as a business entity. You shouldn't put your employer's EIN there unless you're filing on behalf of your company. For the explanation section, you should be quite detailed. Explain clearly why you believe the fee was charged incorrectly, mention any relevant dates, reference any applicable regulations that support your case, and list any previous attempts you've made to resolve the issue. Make sure to attach copies of all supporting documentation - the more evidence you provide, the stronger your case will be. I'd recommend correcting the form with your own SSN before submitting it to avoid processing delays or potential rejection.
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Lola Perez
•Wait, I'm confused. So if I'm filing this for myself personally, I should use my SSN, not an EIN at all? And if it's for my small business (I have an LLC), I would use my business EIN? Also, do you know if there's a specific timeframe for when these need to be filed? I'm trying to get a refund for a penalty from about 8 months ago.
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Ethan Scott
•Yes, if you're filing Form 843 for yourself personally, you should use your SSN in the identification number field. If you're filing on behalf of your LLC, then you would use your business EIN instead. Regarding timeframes, you generally have 2-3 years from the date you paid the fee or penalty to file for a refund, depending on the specific circumstance. For most tax-related refund claims, you have up to 3 years from when you filed the original return or 2 years from when you paid the tax/penalty, whichever is later. So 8 months is well within the timeframe.
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Nathaniel Stewart
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Riya Sharma
•Does this actually work? I'm filling out the same form now but for a different reason (FICA tax refund) and I'm so confused about all the boxes. Does it help you figure out which boxes to check in Section 1? That's what's really throwing me off.
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Santiago Diaz
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Nathaniel Stewart
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Riya Sharma
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Millie Long
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KaiEsmeralda
•How does this actually work? I've been trying to reach someone at the IRS for days about my 843 form and keep getting disconnected after waiting for hours. Is this like having someone else wait on hold for you?
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Santiago Diaz
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Millie Long
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Santiago Diaz
Ok I need to eat my words here. After posting my skeptical comments earlier, I was still desperate to talk to someone at the IRS about my penalty refund request, so I tried that Claimyr service. I figured it couldn't make things worse than they already were. To my complete surprise, it actually worked! I got a call back in about 35 minutes (during which I could go about my day instead of being stuck on hold). The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that I had filled out my Form 843 incorrectly - I had made the exact same mistake as the original poster and used my employer's EIN instead of my SSN. The agent walked me through exactly what I needed to do to correct it. If I hadn't been able to speak with someone, my refund request would have been delayed or denied. Sometimes being wrong feels pretty good!
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Debra Bai
If it helps anyone, here's a quick checklist for Form 843 based on my experience (I'm an accountant): 1. Use YOUR SSN if filing as an individual 2. Use YOUR BUSINESS EIN only if the refund is for your business 3. Complete all personal info at the top (name, address, etc) 4. Check the right box in Section 1 (most common is the "Penalty" box) 5. Section 2 is for periods covered by the request 6. Section 3 is for the type and amount of tax/penalty 7. Section 4 is your detailed explanation (THIS IS CRITICAL) 8. Sign and date at the bottom! Make sure to attach all supporting documentation. In my experience, clear explanations with specific references to IRS rules/publications get processed faster.
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Gabriel Freeman
•Thank you for this! For section 4 (the explanation), how long should it be? Is a paragraph enough or should it be multiple paragraphs with lots of details? I'm requesting a refund of a failure-to-pay penalty because I had reasonable cause (medical emergency).
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Debra Bai
•For a reasonable cause explanation like yours involving a medical emergency, I'd recommend about 2-3 paragraphs. Start with a clear statement of what you're requesting: "I am requesting an abatement of the failure-to-pay penalty in the amount of $X for the tax period ending [date] due to reasonable cause." In your second paragraph, provide specific details about the medical emergency including relevant dates that show the timeline of the emergency in relation to the tax deadline. Be specific but you don't need to share extremely private medical details - focus on how it prevented you from complying with the tax requirement.
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Laura Lopez
Has anyone successfully received a refund using Form 843 for a penalty? I submitted mine about 6 weeks ago (with my SSN, not my employer's EIN lol) and haven't heard anything. Is there a way to check the status online or do I have to call?
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Victoria Brown
•I got a refund last year for a failure-to-file penalty. It took almost 12 weeks to process, and there's no way to check status online that I could find. I ended up having to call. The "Where's My Refund" tool doesn't work for Form 843 requests since they're processed differently than regular tax refunds.
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Nia Johnson
I went through this exact same confusion last year! You definitely should NOT use your employer's EIN on Form 843 - that field is for YOUR identification number. Since you're filing as an individual, you need to use your Social Security Number (SSN). I made the same mistake initially and had to resubmit the form, which delayed my refund by about 2 months. The IRS sent me a letter asking for clarification, but it would have been much faster to just get it right the first time. For the explanation section, be as detailed as possible. Include specific dates, reference any IRS publications or regulations that support your case, and clearly explain why you believe the fee was charged in error. Attach copies of all supporting documentation - bank statements, correspondence, whatever proves your point. The more evidence you provide upfront, the less likely they'll need to request additional information later. Good luck with your refund request! The process can be slow but if you have a valid case and complete documentation, you should get your money back.
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