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Jamal Harris

Do I need to file Schedules L and M-1 for my small one-person S-corp with income under $250k?

I run a small S-corporation for my production company and I'm working on my 2023 tax return (yeah, I know I'm behind schedule). The business was basically hibernating during covid but I restarted operations last year. Total income was around $82,500 but I only netted about $1,270 after all the restart expenses. I didn't take any salary because I was focused on covering the costs of getting things running again. I'm getting conflicting advice about whether I need to file Schedules L and M-1 with my Form 1120-S. Most resources say these schedules are only required if your total receipts exceed $250,000, which I'm definitely under. But a few people in my industry networking group are saying I should include them anyway. For context, this is just a one-person S-corp for my small production business. No other employees or shareholders. Should I bother with Schedules L and M-1 when I'm so far below the $250k threshold? What's the best practice here? Thanks for any guidance!

Mei Chen

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You're correct about the threshold. For S-corporations, Schedules L and M-1 are generally only required if your total receipts exceed $250,000 OR your total assets exceed $250,000 at the end of the tax year. Since you're well under both thresholds, you're not technically required to file these schedules. However, there can be some benefits to filing them voluntarily. Schedule L (Balance Sheet) gives a snapshot of your company's financial position, and Schedule M-1 reconciles your book income with income reported on the tax return. Completing these forms can help establish good financial record-keeping practices as your business grows. The key question is whether you maintain complete books and records for your S-corp. If you do, it's relatively simple to complete these schedules, and they provide additional context for your return. If you don't maintain formal books, it would be more work to create them just for these optional schedules.

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Liam Sullivan

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So even though they're not required, would filing these schedules potentially reduce audit risk? Or does including optional forms actually increase the chances of getting flagged?

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Mei Chen

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Filing optional schedules neither significantly increases nor decreases your audit risk in most cases. The IRS primarily looks at income reporting, unusual deductions, and mismatches with information returns when selecting audits. If your books are well-maintained and the schedules accurately reflect your business situation, including them provides transparency that could potentially help during an audit. However, if you'd need to create data just to complete these forms, any inconsistencies might raise questions.

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Amara Okafor

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Dmitry Volkov

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Jamal Harris

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I've thought about it, but my margins are still pretty thin after restarting the business. What kind of costs should I expect for professional S-corp tax prep? And do you think there's any issue with me not taking a salary this year while I was focused on covering restart expenses?

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Dmitry Volkov

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For a fairly straightforward S-corp like yours, you might expect to pay $800-1500 depending on your location and the complexity of your situation. It's definitely an investment, but it can save you a lot of headaches and potential mistakes. Regarding not taking a salary - that's actually a potential red flag. The IRS expects S-corp owners who are actively working in the business to take a "reasonable compensation" as a W-2 salary. While there's some flexibility during startup or recovery phases, having zero salary for an entire year while the business shows a profit (even a small one) could raise questions. This is exactly the kind of nuance a tax professional would help navigate to keep you compliant.

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StarSeeker

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Just want to add that I'm in a similar production business with an S-corp and I DO file Schedules L and M-1 even though I'm under the threshold. My reasoning is that these schedules create a paper trail of your business's financial position over time. If you ever get audited or need to show financial history for loans/investors, having these forms consistently filed gives a more complete picture.

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Ava Martinez

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That's interesting. Do you find that completing these schedules takes a lot of extra time? I'm trying to weigh the benefits against the additional work.

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Amara Eze

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Based on your situation, you're absolutely correct that Schedules L and M-1 aren't required since you're well under the $250k threshold. However, I'd strongly recommend addressing the salary issue that Dmitry mentioned - the IRS can be quite strict about S-corp owners taking reasonable compensation when the business is profitable, even if it's just $1,270. For the schedules themselves, since you're a small one-person operation, I'd suggest keeping it simple and only filing what's required unless you have a specific reason to include them (like establishing a financial history for future lending). Your time is probably better spent on growing the business back to full operations. One practical tip: if you do decide to include the optional schedules in future years as your business grows, start maintaining the books now in a way that makes completing them easier later. This gives you flexibility without extra work this year.

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Grant Vikers

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This is really helpful advice about keeping things simple while planning ahead. As someone new to S-corp filing, I'm curious - when you mention maintaining books "in a way that makes completing them easier later," what specific records or organization methods would you recommend for a small production company? I want to make sure I'm setting myself up for success as the business grows without overcomplicating things right now.

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