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Margot Quinn

Converting a C corp to an S corp using a QSub election - tax implications?

So I recently came into full ownership (100%) of a C corporation after my uncle passed away, and I'm trying to figure out the smartest way to access some of the company's accumulated earnings without getting destroyed by taxes. I've been wondering if this strategy might work: create a new S corporation, transfer the C corp stock ownership to the S corp, then make a qualified subchapter S subsidiary (QSub) election for the C corp, and finally take distributions from the QSub without triggering brutal tax consequences. I've been researching for hours and can't find anything that specifically says this approach is prohibited... but I also can't find confirmation that it would actually work the way I'm hoping. Has anyone ever dealt with this kind of C corp to S corp conversion using a QSub election? Am I missing something obvious here that would make this a terrible idea? Any insight would be really appreciated!

Evelyn Kim

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This is actually a great question about corporate restructuring, but unfortunately what you're contemplating won't work the way you're hoping. When you convert a C corporation to an S corporation (directly or through a QSub election), you're still subject to what's called the "built-in gains tax" on the C corporation's accumulated earnings and profits. The IRS specifically designed rules to prevent the exact scenario you're describing. When a C corporation converts to an S corporation, those accumulated earnings don't magically become tax-free distributions. The corporation carries its accumulated E&P from its C corporation days, and distributions from those accumulated earnings will be treated as taxable dividends to shareholders. Additionally, there's a 5-year recognition period for built-in gains that existed at the time of conversion. This means assets that appreciated during C corporation status will trigger corporate-level tax if disposed of within 5 years of conversion.

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Margot Quinn

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Thanks for the quick response! So am I understanding correctly that the QSub approach doesn't actually change anything about the tax treatment? I thought maybe since technically the C corp would become a disregarded entity after the QSub election, it might be treated differently. Also, is there any scenario where I could avoid the double taxation on these accumulated earnings? I'm not looking to do anything improper, just trying to understand if there are legitimate strategies that might help minimize the tax hit.

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Evelyn Kim

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The QSub election doesn't provide a workaround for this particular tax issue. When you make a QSub election, the C corporation's accumulated earnings and profits don't disappear - they carry over into the new structure. The IRS specifically designed these rules to prevent C corporations from avoiding tax on accumulated earnings by converting to S status. Regarding legitimate strategies, you might consider paying yourself a reasonable salary from the corporation, which is deductible to the corporation but taxable to you as ordinary income. You could also consider selling corporate assets over time to spread out the tax impact. Another option might be keeping the C corporation and using it strategically for retirement planning or other long-term goals where the timing of distributions can be controlled. I'd recommend working with a tax professional who specializes in corporate restructuring to explore options specific to your situation.

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Diego Fisher

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Diego Fisher

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If your main goal is distributing C corp accumulated earnings, you might want to consider another approach altogether. I spent 3 MONTHS trying to get actual guidance from the IRS on a similar conversion situation. Left dozens of messages, sent letters, and could never get through to anyone who could help. Finally tried https://claimyr.com and got connected to an actual IRS agent within 20 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent I spoke with walked me through how the IRS would view different distribution strategies for C corp accumulated earnings and which ones would trigger immediate audit flags. She explained that in some cases, a properly structured partial liquidation might be more advantageous than a conversion to S status, depending on your specific goals and timeframe.

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Emma Johnson

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Wait, this service actually gets you through to the IRS? How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible to navigate. I've been trying to get clarification on QSub rules for weeks.

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Liam Brown

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This sounds like complete BS. The IRS doesn't give personalized tax planning advice like that, especially not about complex corporate restructuring strategies. They'll answer basic procedural questions but they're not going to help you plan a tax-advantaged corporate liquidation strategy. I've been through plenty of IRS calls and they specifically avoid giving this kind of guidance.

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Liam Brown

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Olivia Garcia

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Another option worth considering is a Section 331 complete liquidation of the C corporation. This would result in a single level of tax at the shareholder level (capital gains rates) rather than the double taxation that occurs with dividend distributions from a C corporation. The liquidation would be treated as a sale of stock, with the shareholder recognizing capital gain equal to the difference between the fair market value of assets received and the stock basis. While this doesn't completely eliminate tax, it can sometimes be more favorable than dividend treatment, especially if you have a significant basis in the C corporation stock you inherited (which may have been stepped-up upon inheritance).

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Margot Quinn

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Hmm, I hadn't considered a complete liquidation. How would that work if I want to continue running the business? Would I need to form a new entity and somehow transfer the operations? And would the step-up in basis from inheriting the stock actually help reduce the capital gains significantly?

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Olivia Garcia

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If you want to continue the business operations, you could potentially form a new entity (like an LLC or S corporation) and have the C corporation sell its assets to the new entity before liquidating. This approach has its own complexities though. The step-up in basis from inheritance could be extremely beneficial in your case. When you inherited the C corporation stock, your basis in that stock likely became the fair market value as of the date of death. This means if you liquidate soon after inheritance, there might be minimal capital gain between your stepped-up basis and the current value of the corporate assets. This is actually one of the most tax-advantageous aspects of your situation. However, if the corporation has appreciated significantly since you inherited it, or if it has substantial accumulated earnings and profits beyond the value reflected in the stock price, the tax impact becomes more complex. The timing here matters significantly.

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Noah Lee

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Has anyone considered the F reorganization approach? IRC Section 368(a)(1)(F) provides for a "mere change in identity, form, or place of organization of one corporation, however effected." You could potentially form a new S corporation and have it acquire the C corporation in an F reorganization. This would effectively convert the C corporation to an S corporation while potentially providing more flexibility than a direct conversion.

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Ava Hernandez

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An F reorganization still doesn't solve the fundamental issue of accessing the C corporation's accumulated earnings though. The E&P would carry over to the surviving S corporation, and distributions would still be taxed as dividends to the extent of the accumulated E&P. The IRS specifically designed these rules to prevent exactly what OP is trying to do - accessing C corporation accumulated earnings without dividend treatment.

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One strategy worth exploring is a gradual distribution approach over several years rather than trying to access all the accumulated earnings at once. Since you're the sole shareholder, you have complete control over the timing. You could take reasonable salary payments (which are deductible to the corporation), combined with modest dividend distributions spread over multiple tax years to manage your overall tax bracket. This won't eliminate the double taxation on accumulated E&P, but it can significantly reduce the overall tax burden by keeping you in lower marginal tax brackets. Another consideration is whether the corporation has any business expenses or investments that could be made before distributions - things like equipment purchases, facility improvements, or even funding a corporate retirement plan. These legitimate business expenses reduce the accumulated E&P and give you more tax-efficient ways to benefit from the corporate assets. The key is that there's no magic bullet to completely avoid tax on C corp accumulated earnings - the tax code specifically prevents this. But with proper planning, you can minimize the total tax impact through timing and strategic use of corporate funds.

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This is really helpful advice about the gradual distribution approach. I'm curious about the corporate retirement plan option you mentioned - could you elaborate on how that would work? Would something like a SEP-IRA or defined benefit plan allow me to move money out of the corporation in a tax-advantaged way since I'm the only employee? And are there limits on how much I could contribute in a single year if I'm trying to reduce the accumulated E&P more quickly?

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