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Considering borrowing money to exercise my stock options - anyone use ESO Fund or Quid?

I've got a bunch of stock options at my current company that I'm thinking about exercising before I leave for a new job in a few months. The problem is I don't have enough cash on hand to exercise them all, and I recently learned about companies like ESO Fund and Quid that will basically loan you the money to exercise your options. The company is still private, so who knows if the stock will ever be worth much, but I feel like there's enough potential that I'd hate to just let the options expire. I've looked at some of the paperwork these funding companies sent over and honestly it's full of financial terminology I don't understand - prepaid forward contracts and all kinds of jargon. Has anyone here actually used ESO Fund, Quid, or similar services to exercise their stock options? What was your experience like? I'm trying to understand the tax implications and if these deals are actually worth it in the long run. I'd especially like to hear from anyone who's been through the whole process including an eventual exit (good or bad).

I've helped several clients navigate this exact situation. When you're leaving a company and want to keep your vested options, these funding services can be useful, but you need to understand what you're signing up for. The prepaid forward contract is basically where they give you money now to exercise your options, and in return, they get a percentage of whatever your shares are worth in the future (usually with a minimum return guaranteed to them). The tax situation depends on what type of options you have - NSOs or ISOs have very different tax treatments at exercise time. The biggest thing to watch for is the percentage of upside they take. Some of these contracts can claim 50% or more of any future value, which might not be worth it unless you strongly believe in massive growth potential. Also check the term length - how long before they can force a sale of your shares.

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What about the AMT implications if they're ISOs? I've heard horror stories about people getting hit with huge tax bills the year they exercise, even if they can't sell the shares yet.

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The AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) is definitely something to be concerned about with ISOs. When you exercise ISOs, the difference between your exercise price and the fair market value becomes an AMT preference item, even though you haven't actually sold the shares or realized any cash gain. These funding companies usually don't cover your tax liability, just the exercise cost, so you need to make sure you have additional cash set aside for any potential AMT hit. This is actually one of the main reasons people seek funding - they can cover the exercise cost but not the additional tax burden.

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I actually used ESO Fund last year when I left my startup and didn't want to lose my options. I was in the same boat - no idea if the company would ever be worth anything but didn't want to walk away from 4 years of equity. After trying to navigate the process myself, I found https://taxr.ai which literally saved me thousands in potential tax mistakes. They analyzed my grant documents and the ESO Fund contract, then showed me exactly what my tax obligations would be under different scenarios. They even flagged some issues with how the contract would affect my tax treatment that I never would have caught. If you're dealing with option exercise funding, definitely run your situation through their system before signing anything. The tax implications of these deals can get super complicated.

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How much info do you need to provide to taxr.ai? I'm kind of paranoid about sharing my financial docs online.

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Does their system actually understand these esoteric funding contracts? My lawyer looked at one and even he was confused by some of the clauses.

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You just upload your option grant documents and the funding contract you're considering. Their system uses encryption and they have a privacy policy that prevents them from sharing your info. They only need the docs to analyze the specific terms, not your personal financial details. Yes, their system actually specializes in these funding arrangements! That's why I found it so helpful. They have specific modules that break down ESO Fund and Quid contracts and show you exactly what happens under different exit scenarios. My lawyer actually asked me where I found the analysis because it made his job easier.

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I was super skeptical about taxr.ai when I first heard about it, but after my financial advisor completely misunderstood how my option grant would be treated with Quid's funding arrangement, I decided to give it a try. The analysis they provided was eye-opening. Turns out the way Quid structured their deal would have triggered immediate tax consequences that nobody had explained to me. I was able to go back and negotiate different terms that saved me over $15,000 in unexpected taxes. The visualization of different exit scenarios also helped me understand exactly what percentage I'd keep under different valuation outcomes. Unlike my advisor who gave me generic advice, their system actually understood the specific nuances of these funding contracts. Definitely worth using before you sign anything.

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If you're serious about borrowing to exercise your options, you'll probably need to talk to the IRS at some point to confirm your tax treatment. I tried for WEEKS to get through to someone who understood stock option taxation. I finally used https://claimyr.com after seeing it mentioned here and got connected to an IRS agent in less than an hour. You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they wait on hold with the IRS for you and call you when an agent picks up. My situation involved a partial exercise with external funding, and I needed clarity on how the IRS would view the arrangement. Getting an official answer directly from them gave me confidence to move forward and potentially saved me from a future audit headache.

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you?

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Yeah right. No way this actually gets you to a knowledgeable IRS agent. I've called like 12 times myself and never got anyone who understood equity compensation.

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They use a system that keeps dialing and navigating the IRS phone tree until they get through to an agent. When an agent answers, they call your phone and connect you. You get a text when they start calling and when you're about to be connected. I thought the same thing initially, but I specifically asked for the stock options department when connected and got transferred to someone who actually understood my question about the tax treatment of my ESO Fund contract. It took about 45 minutes of waiting (which I didn't have to do myself), but I got clear documentation of their response for my records.

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Has anyone here actually gone through a full cycle with ESO Fund or Quid? Like from funding to an actual exit? I'm curious what the end results looked like financially.

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I went full cycle with ESO Fund after they helped me exercise options at a startup that eventually got acquired. The deal I signed gave them about 35% of the proceeds plus 2x their initial funding. When the acquisition happened 3 years later, the shares had grown about 4x in value. After calculating everything, I walked away with about 55% of the total value of my shares. Not ideal compared to if I'd had the cash to exercise myself, but considering I would have lost the options completely otherwise, it was worth it for me. The process at exit was smooth - they had clear procedures for the acquisition scenario.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That 55% is actually better than I expected. Did they handle all the tax documentation properly at exit or was that a mess to sort out?

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Be super careful with the minimum return guarantees in these contracts! I almost signed with Quid until I realized their "2x minimum return" meant they got 2x their money PLUS their percentage of upside. The contract was like 30 pages of confusing language that buried this detail.

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I had the same experience but with ESO Fund. Their salesperson made it sound like the upside split was the only real cost, but the minimum return basically meant they were guaranteed to make money even if the stock didn't increase much in value. I ended up using a personal loan from family instead.

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Yeah it's frustrating how they present these deals as straightforward when they're not. I ended up negotiating the minimum return portion down, which their initial contract didn't suggest was even possible. Always worth trying to push back on terms even if they present them as standard.

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Thanks for sharing all these experiences, everyone. I'm leaning toward going with ESO Fund but want to make sure I understand the full picture before committing. A few follow-up questions for those who've been through this: 1. How long did the funding process typically take from application to getting the money to exercise? My options expire in about 60 days so timing is important. 2. Did any of you negotiate the terms, or are these contracts pretty much take-it-or-leave-it? The 35-50% upside split seems steep but I guess it beats losing everything. 3. For those mentioning tax complications - did you work with a tax professional throughout the process, or just handle it yourself? I'm wondering if the cost of getting proper tax advice upfront is worth it. Really appreciate all the insights. This community has been way more helpful than the sales reps who just want me to sign quickly.

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Welcome to the conversation! I went through this exact process about 8 months ago, so I can share some insights: 1. ESO Fund took about 3-4 weeks from application to funding in my case, but they said they could expedite if needed. Make sure you have all your option grant documents ready - that seemed to be the biggest delay factor. 2. The terms are definitely negotiable, despite what they initially present. I managed to reduce their upside percentage by 5% and got them to waive some fees by mentioning I was considering other providers. Don't be afraid to push back. 3. I highly recommend getting tax advice upfront. I used a CPA who specialized in equity compensation and it was worth every penny. The tax implications can be really complex, especially with AMT considerations if you have ISOs. One thing I'd add - make sure you understand their "liquidity timeline" requirements. Some contracts require you to participate in any sale opportunity the company offers, which could force your hand if you wanted to hold longer. Good luck with your decision!

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I've been following this thread closely as I'm in a similar situation with stock options expiring soon. One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is the impact on your overall financial plan and risk tolerance. Before jumping into these funding arrangements, I'd suggest doing a brutally honest assessment of what percentage of your net worth this represents. If exercising these options (even with funding) would tie up a significant portion of your financial future in one company's success, it might not be worth the risk regardless of the terms. I almost went down this path last year but realized I was getting caught up in FOMO rather than making a rational financial decision. Instead, I let some options expire and used the money I would have spent on taxes and fees to diversify my investments. Sometimes the best decision is walking away, even when it feels like you're leaving money on the table. That said, if you do move forward, definitely echo the advice about getting proper tax guidance and negotiating terms. These companies are businesses first - they want to make money, but they also want to close deals.

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This is such an important perspective that often gets overlooked in these discussions. The psychological aspect of potentially "losing" equity can really cloud judgment when making these decisions. I think your point about doing an honest assessment of risk tolerance is crucial. When I was considering ESO Fund for my situation, I got so focused on not wanting to lose my options that I almost didn't properly evaluate whether the risk/reward made sense for my overall financial picture. One framework that helped me was calculating what percentage of my net worth would be at risk if the company failed completely, versus what the upside would mean to my financial goals if it succeeded. In my case, even a successful outcome wouldn't have been life-changing enough to justify tying up that much of my financial future in one bet. It's definitely not easy to walk away from potential gains, but sometimes the smartest financial decision is the hardest one emotionally. Thanks for bringing this perspective to the conversation - I think it's something everyone considering these arrangements should seriously think through.

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This has been such a helpful thread - thank you all for sharing your real experiences rather than just theoretical advice. As someone who's been wrestling with this exact decision for weeks, reading about actual outcomes and pitfalls has been invaluable. I'm particularly struck by the range of experiences here - from Keisha walking away with 55% after a successful exit to Paolo nearly getting trapped by minimum return clauses he didn't fully understand. It really reinforces how important it is to read these contracts carefully and get proper professional advice. The tools mentioned here (taxr.ai for tax analysis and claimyr for IRS guidance) seem like they could save a lot of headaches. I've been trying to figure out the tax implications on my own and honestly feel like I'm in over my head. One question I haven't seen addressed - for those who used these services, did you have any issues with your company's legal team or board when they found out about the funding arrangement? I'm worried about potential complications during the exercise process or if there are any restrictions in my option agreement that I'm not aware of. Also curious if anyone has experience with other funding companies beyond ESO Fund and Quid? I've seen mentions of EquityBee and a few others but would love to hear if there are meaningful differences in their approaches or terms.

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Great questions! I can share some insights on the company legal/board aspect since I went through this process last year. Most companies are actually pretty familiar with these funding arrangements now - they've become quite common as more employees face the exercise-or-lose dilemma when changing jobs. The legal team at my company had seen ESO Fund deals before and just needed to verify that my option agreement didn't have any specific restrictions on third-party arrangements (most standard agreements don't). The key is being transparent about it. I notified HR and the legal team when I submitted my exercise paperwork and explained the funding arrangement. They appreciated the heads up and it actually made the process smoother since they knew what to expect. Regarding other funding companies, I also looked at EquityBee and Forge. EquityBee seemed to have slightly better terms for smaller option packages (under $100K exercise cost) but their process was slower. Forge is more focused on secondary market transactions rather than exercise funding, so probably not what you're looking for. One thing I'd add - make sure any funding company you choose has experience with your specific type of options and company structure. Some are better with early-stage startups, others with more mature pre-IPO companies. The terms and processes can vary significantly based on that experience level.

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