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Canadian green card holder filing dual status tax return in US - need advice on my transition plan

I'm facing a somewhat complicated situation and would love some input on my plan for filing US taxes this year: I'm Canadian and relocated to the US in May 2022 on a TN visa. Even though I met the substantial presence test in 2022, I filed 1040NR and 540NR in the US/California using form 8833 (Canada/Tax treaty) and filed my Canadian resident tax return reporting my worldwide income to Canada. My reasoning was that I wasn't certain about staying in the US long-term and didn't want to cut ties with Canada after just working in the States for a short period. Jump to August 2023, my wife (also Canadian) and I received our green cards (finally!) - we initiated the application in March 2023 through her employer's sponsorship. We're considering declaring non-resident status in Canada later this year since my understanding is that green card holders should file 1040 or risk jeopardizing their green card status. We'd also benefit from some tax savings due to lower US tax rates. Here's my tentative plan (I've consulted with 2 US/Canada cross-border tax specialists - one thought this approach should work while the other wasn't completely confident): * Travel back to Canada in mid/late September and return to the US on October 1 (using October 1 as our departure date and first day as non-residents of Canada - thus filing Canadian tax resident return with worldwide income for January 1-September 30) * For US taxes, file a dual status tax return (filing 1040NR/540NR for January 1-September 30 with form 8833 reporting US-sourced income; then filing 1040/540 reporting worldwide income for October 1-December 31) * Sell my rented condo and aim to close by September 30 (there's approximately $270K capital gain that should be tax-free since it's been my principal residence from the beginning) * Close my TFSA and most Canadian bank accounts (keeping only accounts that serve non-residents in Canada); cancel OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) * From January 1, 2024 onward, we'll be US residents and Canadian non-residents Does this approach seem reasonable? I'd greatly appreciate any feedback or suggestions!

Your plan has the right framework, but there are some important details to consider with your dual status return strategy. For green card holders, you're correct that filing Form 1040 is expected, as the US taxes residents on worldwide income. However, your plan to use a split-year approach (part-year resident and part-year nonresident) requires careful documentation. The IRS can be particularly attentive to these situations. For your Canadian exit strategy, the symbolic trip back to Canada is a good idea, but remember that Canadian residency is determined by significant residential ties, not just physical presence. Selling your condo and closing TFSAs are strong moves to demonstrate your intent. Be aware that Canada may still consider you a deemed resident if you maintain significant ties. For that $270K capital gain - if the property truly qualifies as your principal residence under Canadian rules, you should be eligible for the exemption, but ensure you've met the occupancy requirements despite renting it out. Document everything thoroughly. One potential issue: The US might view you as a resident for the entire year under the green card test, regardless of your date of actual permanent move. I'd recommend specifically addressing this in your filing with clear documentation about your residency transition date.

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Thanks for the detailed response! That's a great point about the green card test potentially making me a US resident for the entire year. Do you think it would be better to file as a full-year US resident instead of the dual status approach? And regarding the Canadian principal residence exemption - I lived in the condo for 5 years before renting it out for the past 2 years, so I'm hoping that still qualifies.

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Filing as a full-year US resident might actually be cleaner from the IRS perspective since you held a green card during part of the year. The substantial presence test plus green card status makes a strong case for full-year residency. This would mean filing Form 1040 for the entire year and reporting worldwide income, but you could still benefit from foreign tax credits for taxes paid to Canada. For the principal residence exemption, Canadian rules allow you to maintain the exemption during periods when you don't occupy the property, generally for up to 4 years, if you eventually return to live in it. Since you're planning to formally cut ties with Canada, you should still qualify based on your 5 years of occupancy, but make sure to file the principal residence designation when reporting the sale.

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This sounds like a scam. Why would I need a service to call the IRS? I've gotten through to them before without paying anyone. And how would a random IRS phone agent even know the complexities of US-Canada tax treaties? They usually just give general guidance.

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Another thing to consider with your plan: FBAR requirements for your Canadian accounts. As a green card holder, you'll need to file FinCEN Form 114 annually to report your foreign financial accounts if their aggregate value exceeds $10,000 at any point during the year. Also, be cautious with your TFSA. While it's tax-sheltered in Canada, the US doesn't recognize its tax-free status. Any income earned in your TFSA will be taxable on your US return, which is why closing it before becoming a US resident is a good move. Have you considered the implications for any Canadian retirement accounts like RRSPs? Under the treaty, you can defer US taxation on RRSPs, but you need to file Form 8891 to make this election.

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Thank you for bringing up these important points! I have about $35K combined in my Canadian accounts, so I'll definitely need to file the FBAR. You're right about the TFSA - that's exactly why I'm planning to close it before October. Regarding RRSPs, I do have about $80K in an RRSP. I wasn't aware of Form 8891 - does that need to be filed annually or just once?

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The good news is that Form 8891 was actually eliminated in 2014! The IRS now automatically recognizes the tax deferral for RRSPs under the US-Canada tax treaty without requiring a specific form. You'll still need to report the existence of the RRSP on your FBAR and potentially on Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) if you meet the filing threshold, but the income can continue to grow tax-deferred. One other consideration for your plan: make sure you've researched any state-specific requirements. California, for example, doesn't always follow federal treatment of foreign income and may have different rules regarding your Canadian accounts and investments compared to federal regulations.

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Have you factored in potential "exit tax" implications when leaving Canada? If the fair market value of your worldwide assets exceeds CAD $1.6 million at the time you become a non-resident, you might be subject to a deemed disposition of your property, potentially creating additional tax liability.

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This is incorrect information. Canada doesn't have an "exit tax" in the same way as the US. What Canada has is a deemed disposition rule where certain properties are treated as if they were sold at fair market value when you cease Canadian residency. However, this typically doesn't apply to cash, personal-use property, most registered plans like RRSPs, and certain real property located in Canada.

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Thanks for bringing this up. I've been concerned about this potential issue. My total assets are around CAD $1.3 million, so I should be under that threshold. Most of my assets are either in my RRSP, cash, or the condo which I'm planning to sell before becoming a non-resident. Would there be any other assets I should be concerned about for the deemed disposition rules?

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