Can someone explain how the use of trusts can lower estate taxes without incurring form 706 schedule G inclusion?
I'm trying to wrap my head around estate tax planning and trusts. I've been helping my parents look at their retirement and estate planning (they're in their early 70s with assets around $4.2 million) and we keep hearing about how trusts can reduce or eliminate estate taxes. But I'm confused - aren't assets transferred to a trust included on schedule G of form 706? If so, how do trusts actually help avoid the estate tax? My dad talked to some financial advisor who was pushing hard for them to set up some complicated trust structure, but I wanted to understand the basics before they pay thousands in legal fees. Does anyone here have experience with this kind of planning? Would appreciate some clarity on how this actually works and if there are different types of trusts that work better than others for estate tax reduction.
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Javier Morales
The key is understanding that not all trusts are created equal when it comes to estate taxes. You're right that assets in certain trusts are reported on Schedule G of Form 706, but the important distinction is between revocable and irrevocable trusts. Revocable trusts (living trusts) don't reduce estate taxes because you maintain control over the assets. These assets are included in your taxable estate on Form 706. Irrevocable trusts, however, can be powerful estate tax reduction tools. When you transfer assets to a properly structured irrevocable trust, you're essentially removing those assets from your taxable estate. Common irrevocable trusts for estate tax planning include: - Irrevocable Life Insurance Trusts (ILITs) - Grantor Retained Annuity Trusts (GRATs) - Charitable Remainder Trusts (CRTs) - Generation-Skipping Trusts With your parents' estate at $4.2 million, they're actually under the federal estate tax exemption ($12.92 million per person in 2023, though this is scheduled to decrease in 2026), but state estate taxes might still apply depending on where they live.
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Emma Anderson
•Thanks for this explanation. Quick question - if my parents put their house in an irrevocable trust now, would they lose the ability to sell it if they wanted to downsize later? And how would this affect the step-up in basis for capital gains purposes when they pass?
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Javier Morales
•Once assets are placed in an irrevocable trust, your parents would no longer have direct control over them - that's the trade-off for the estate tax benefits. The trustee would control the property according to the trust terms. If they anticipate possibly wanting to sell the home, they could include provisions giving the trustee that authority, but this reduces some of the estate tax benefits. Regarding step-up in basis, assets in irrevocable trusts typically don't receive a step-up in basis at death like assets passing through an estate do. This is an important consideration - sometimes the capital gains tax savings from the step-up can outweigh the estate tax benefits, especially for highly appreciated assets like real estate. It's a balancing act that requires careful analysis of your parents' specific situation.
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Malik Thompson
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Isabella Ferreira
•Did you have to talk to a real person or is it just software? My parents are super private about their finances and wouldn't want to discuss with a stranger.
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CosmicVoyager
•How is this different from just talking to an estate planning attorney? Seems like you'd want someone who can actually draft the documents not just tell you about them.
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Malik Thompson
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Isabella Ferreira
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Omar Mahmoud
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Chloe Harris
One important thing nobody mentioned is generation-skipping transfer tax considerations with trusts. If your parents are planning to leave assets to grandchildren or further generations, there's a separate GST tax that can apply at a flat 40% rate. Dynasty trusts can help with this by leveraging the GST exemption. My family used one to protect assets from estate taxes for multiple generations. We allocated our GST exemption to the trust when funded, and now those assets (which have grown significantly) can pass to grandkids and beyond without additional estate or GST tax.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•That's really helpful, I hadn't even considered the generation-skipping aspect. My parents do have 3 grandchildren they'd like to provide for. How complicated was the setup process for your dynasty trust? And did you use an attorney with specific experience in this area?
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Chloe Harris
•The setup was definitely on the more complex end of the spectrum. We worked with an attorney who specializes in multi-generational wealth planning - not just any estate planning lawyer. The initial documentation was about 80 pages and took several meetings to finalize. I'd highly recommend finding someone with specific expertise in GST planning and dynasty trusts. These are specialized tools that general practitioners sometimes get wrong. In our case, we interviewed three different attorneys before choosing one. The right attorney will be able to balance tax advantages with practical family considerations like access to funds when needed.
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Diego Vargas
Don't overlook the state estate tax angle. Federal exemptions are high, but states like Massachusetts, Oregon, and Minnesota have much lower exemptions (around $1-3 million). A properly structured trust can help with state estate taxes even if you're below the federal threshold.
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NeonNinja
•This is so true. My parents got caught by this in Washington state. Their $3.5M estate was under the federal limit but still got hit with state estate tax. A credit shelter trust would have saved about $150k in state estate taxes when my dad passed.
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