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Andre Moreau

Questions about estate tax and trust planning for wealthy relative

Hey everyone, I need some guidance about an estate tax/trust situation that came up recently. My uncle, who's quite well off financially (owns multiple properties and has significant investments), recently mentioned he's setting up a trust. I think his assets are somewhere in the $7-9 million range. He briefly mentioned something about estate tax thresholds and wanting to minimize the tax burden for the family when he passes. I'm honestly confused about how trusts work in relation to estate taxes. Does setting up a trust automatically mean his assets won't be subject to estate tax? Are there different types of trusts with different tax implications? He mentioned something about an irrevocable trust versus a revocable living trust but I didn't really understand the difference. Also, if he makes gifts to family members now, how does that factor into the estate tax situation? I know there's some annual gift exclusion but I'm not clear on the details. Any help understanding the basics would be really appreciated!

Estate planning can be confusing, so I'm happy to clarify some basics for you. A trust itself doesn't automatically avoid estate taxes - it depends on the type of trust. A revocable living trust allows your uncle to maintain control of his assets during his lifetime but doesn't avoid estate taxes because he maintains ownership. When he passes, those assets are still considered part of his taxable estate. An irrevocable trust, however, can potentially remove assets from his taxable estate because he's essentially giving up ownership of those assets during his lifetime. The trust becomes its own tax entity. Regarding gifts, your uncle can give up to $18,000 (2025 amount) per person per year without it counting against his lifetime gift and estate tax exemption (currently around $13.6 million for individuals). Gifts above that annual exclusion use up some of his lifetime exemption. Since your uncle's estate is in the $7-9 million range, he's currently below the federal exemption threshold, but state estate taxes might still apply depending on where he lives. Some states have much lower exemption thresholds.

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Thanks for explaining! So if his estate is under the federal exemption amount, does he even need to worry about setting up these complicated trusts? And are there advantages to trusts beyond just tax considerations?

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Even if his estate is below the federal exemption, there are several reasons to consider a trust. Trusts can help avoid probate, which saves time and money while keeping affairs private. They can also provide protection against creditors and help manage assets if he becomes incapacitated. Trusts can also provide more control over how and when beneficiaries receive assets. For example, he could specify that beneficiaries receive portions at certain ages or upon achieving specific milestones, rather than all at once.

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Mei Chen

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Did it actually explain the tax implications well? I've got my mom's trust documents and it feels like reading a foreign language. Does it work for all types of trusts or just basic ones?

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I'm an estate planning attorney, and I wanted to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet. Your uncle should be aware that the current federal estate tax exemption amount ($13.6 million in 2025) is scheduled to sunset at the end of 2025, potentially dropping back to around $7 million (adjusted for inflation) in 2026. If your uncle's estate is in the $7-9 million range as you mentioned, this could suddenly put him over the exemption threshold next year. This is why many wealthy individuals are considering making significant gifts or establishing irrevocable trusts now to lock in the current higher exemption amount. Also, don't forget about state-level estate taxes. Depending on which state your uncle lives in, the exemption could be much lower than the federal amount.

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Andre Moreau

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Whoa, I had no idea about the sunset provision! That could be a huge deal for my uncle. He's in Massachusetts if that makes a difference for state-level taxes. Would you recommend he talk to a specialized estate planning attorney rather than his regular attorney who handles his other legal matters?

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Massachusetts has a state estate tax threshold of only $1 million with tax rates ranging from 0.8% to 16%, so yes, this is definitely something your uncle needs to address regardless of federal exemption amounts. Absolutely recommend a specialized estate planning attorney rather than a general practitioner. Estate planning, particularly with estates approaching the federal exemption and in states with their own estate taxes, requires specific expertise. The right attorney can potentially save your uncle's estate hundreds of thousands or even millions in taxes with proper planning. The fee for specialized advice will be well worth it given the potential tax savings.

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Dylan Wright

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Just wanted to add - make sure your uncle understands the implications of irrevocable trusts before jumping in. My father set one up and later regretted it because he couldn't access those assets when he needed them for medical expenses. Once assets go in, they generally can't come back out (that's why they avoid estate tax). Some irrevocable trusts can be set up with flexibility, like naming a trust protector who can make certain changes, but it's definitely not something to rush into without understanding all the implications.

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NebulaKnight

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This is such an important point. My mother did something similar and it was a nightmare. Are there any types of trusts that offer tax benefits but still maintain some flexibility?

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