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Maria Gonzalez

Can someone explain how Wash Sales work with stock trading? I'm completely lost

I started day trading this year as a side hustle and I'm completely confused about the wash sale rule. I've been buying and selling some tech stocks pretty regularly (mostly AAPL, MSFT, and some NVDA) and I just read something about potentially losing tax deductions if I sell at a loss and then buy back too quickly? From what I understand, if I sell a stock at a loss and then buy the same or a "substantially identical" stock within 30 days before or after the sale, the loss gets disallowed for tax purposes? But what does that actually mean? Does the loss completely disappear? Or does it just get added to the cost basis of the new shares? I've probably made around 200 trades since January and I'm worried I might have screwed myself tax-wise. I'm trying to be smart about my taxes for next year but all these investing rules are overwhelming. My brokerage account is with Charles Schwab and I saw they have some explanation about wash sales but I still don't fully get it. Can someone break down how this works in simple terms? What should I be tracking or watching out for? Do I need to be super careful about when I buy back stocks I've previously sold at a loss?

Natalie Chen

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The wash sale rule basically prevents you from claiming tax losses while maintaining your position in a stock. Here's how it works in simple terms: If you sell a stock at a loss and then buy the same or a "substantially identical" stock within 30 days before OR after the sale, you can't immediately claim that loss on your taxes. The loss doesn't disappear forever though - it gets added to the cost basis of your replacement shares. For example: You buy 10 shares of AAPL at $200 ($2,000 total). The price drops to $180 and you sell for $1,800 (a $200 loss). A week later, you buy 10 AAPL again at $185 ($1,850 total). That $200 loss can't be claimed on your taxes, but your new cost basis for those 10 shares becomes $2,050 ($1,850 purchase + $200 disallowed loss). With 200 trades, you'll definitely have some wash sales. Don't panic though - your brokerage should track this for you and will report the adjusted basis on your 1099-B. Just be extra careful in December/January as wash sales that straddle tax years can create more complications.

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Thanks for explaining! But what counts as "substantially identical"? Would options on the same stock trigger a wash sale? Like if I sold AAPL shares at a loss and then bought AAPL call options within 30 days?

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Natalie Chen

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Yes, options on the same stock can trigger wash sales. The IRS considers options and the underlying stock to be "substantially identical." So if you sell AAPL shares at a loss and buy AAPL call options within 30 days, that would trigger a wash sale. The definition of "substantially identical" isn't perfectly clear in all cases, but it generally includes the same company's stock, options on that stock, and in some cases, very similar ETFs or mutual funds with nearly identical holdings. Different companies in the same sector (like selling MSFT and buying AAPL) would not trigger a wash sale.

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Nick Kravitz

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Does it work with other brokerages too? I use TD Ameritrade and Robinhood and I'm worried I might have wash sale issues across both platforms.

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Hannah White

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Cameron Black

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One important point about wash sales that nobody mentioned: if you sell at a GAIN, the wash sale rule doesn't apply at all! You can sell for a profit and immediately buy back with no tax consequences (other than owing taxes on the gain of course). I found this helpful when rebalancing - I try to sell my winners when I need to adjust position sizes.

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Is there any waiting period for gains? Like could I sell TSLA at a $500 gain today and rebuy immediately tomorrow without any issues?

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Cameron Black

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Nope, there's no waiting period for gains! You can sell TSLA at a $500 gain and literally buy it back seconds later if you want. The wash sale rule only applies to losses, not gains. The reason is that the IRS is mainly concerned with preventing you from artificially creating tax losses while maintaining essentially the same investment position. They have no problem with you paying taxes on gains, so there's no restriction on rebuying after selling at a profit.

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Dumb question maybe but what happens at the end of the year with wash sales? If I have disallowed losses from December, do they just disappear?

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Natalie Chen

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This is actually a really important question! Wash sales that happen at year-end need special attention. If you sell at a loss in December and then buy back in January (within 30 days), that creates a wash sale that spans tax years. The loss doesn't disappear, but it gets added to the cost basis of your new shares purchased in January - which means you can't claim the loss on this year's taxes. You won't realize that benefit until you eventually sell those January shares (potentially next tax year or beyond). This is why some traders do "year-end tax planning" and avoid rebuying securities they've sold at a loss in December until after the 30-day window has passed.

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