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Omar Hassan

Can Wash Sale Rule force me to pay more taxes than my actual stock market earnings?

So I've been trading pretty actively this year and I'm worried about something with the wash sale rule. Let me run this scenario by you all... Let's say I make a $130k profit trading some stocks over a few months. Great, right? But then the market takes a nosedive, and suddenly my total profit is down to just $15. I panic and sell everything, but then 5 minutes later I think "this is probably the bottom" and buy back into the same positions. My concern is this: From what I understand about the wash sale rule, those losses would be disallowed for tax purposes. So even though I only have $15 in actual profit, I might still owe taxes on the entire $130k of original gains. If my combined tax rate is around 30%, that's like $39k in taxes! Does this actually mean I'd end up LOSING about $39k - $15 = $38,985 overall, just because I sold and rebought too quickly? That can't be right, can it? The wash sale rule is supposed to prevent tax harvesting, not bankrupt people who made bad timing decisions. This is just a hypothetical to understand how this works, but I'm seriously stressed about it. Any tax pros here who can explain if I'm understanding this correctly?

Chloe Taylor

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You're mixing up a few concepts here. The wash sale rule doesn't work quite the way you're describing. It only applies to losses, not gains. Here's how it actually works: If you sell an investment at a loss and buy the same or "substantially identical" security within 30 days before or after the sale, the loss is disallowed for current tax purposes. Instead, the disallowed loss gets added to the cost basis of the replacement shares. In your scenario, you realized a $130k gain first. That gain is taxable, period. Then you had a subsequent loss. If you sold and repurchased within 30 days, that loss would be disallowed as a current deduction, but would be added to your new position's cost basis. The key thing is that gains and losses are calculated on a per-transaction basis, not on your overall portfolio value. Each sale is a taxable event. So if you sold stocks for $130k in gains, those gains are locked in for tax purposes regardless of what happens later.

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Omar Hassan

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But that's what I'm afraid of! If those first gains of $130k are locked in and taxable no matter what, and then my subsequent losses can't be used to offset those gains because of the wash sale rule, I could end up owing way more in taxes than I actually made in profit. Is that right?

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Chloe Taylor

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Your gains are always taxable when realized through a sale, regardless of the wash sale rule. The wash sale rule only affects losses, not gains. If you sell stocks for a $130k gain, then later sell different stocks for a $129,985 loss, those would normally offset each other, leaving you with a net gain of $15 and taxes only on that amount. However, if you repurchase the securities sold at a loss within the 30-day window, then yes, you couldn't use those losses to offset the gains for the current tax year.

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ShadowHunter

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Diego Ramirez

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How does this service actually work? Do you have to upload all your trading records or something? And do they give specific advice for your situation or just general guidelines?

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. I talked to my CPA about wash sales and he said there's no way to "avoid" them if you've already made the trades - the rules are the rules. How could this service help with something that's already happened?

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ShadowHunter

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Sean O'Connor

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Nia Johnson

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet: If you're trading in a tax-advantaged account like an IRA or 401k, the wash sale rule doesn't matter at all! All the trades happen inside the account and don't trigger any immediate tax consequences. I learned this the hard way after spending way too much time stressing about wash sales in my Roth IRA. Since you don't pay taxes on gains within the account anyway, the wash sale rule is completely irrelevant. The problem only exists in taxable brokerage accounts where each sale is a reportable tax event. Just wanted to mention this in case anyone else was confused like I was!

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Omar Hassan

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Wait, so if I'm trading in my Roth IRA I don't need to worry about this at all? That's a huge relief for part of my portfolio! What about trading between a regular brokerage account and an IRA? Could that trigger wash sales?

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Nia Johnson

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You're completely safe trading within your Roth IRA - no wash sale concerns there! Trading between accounts is where you need to be careful. The IRS considers trades across different accounts you own when applying the wash sale rule. So if you sell something at a loss in your brokerage account and then buy it within 30 days in your IRA, you could trigger a wash sale. What makes this particularly bad is that the disallowed loss gets added to the cost basis in your IRA, where it essentially disappears forever since IRAs don't benefit from cost basis adjustments.

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CyberNinja

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Does anyone recommend any specific tax software that handles wash sales correctly? I tried using FreeTaxUSA last year and it was a nightmare trying to manually figure out all the wash sales from my trading.

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Mateo Lopez

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TurboTax Premier has been decent for me with handling wash sales, but only if your brokerage provides a correct 1099-B with wash sales already calculated. If you're using a broker that doesn't adjust for wash sales on their forms, you're basically on your own with any software. I've heard H&R Block's premium version is also good for investors, but haven't tried it myself.

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