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Can elderly assisted living residents qualify as "chronically ill" for full tax deduction eligibility?

I'm helping with taxes for my elderly parents who are in their late 80s and living in an assisted living community. They're still in the independent living section, but they do receive some help with daily activities. Specifically, they get complete assistance with showering/bathing and what the facility calls "partial" assistance with getting dressed. They don't need help with any other activities of daily living (ADLs). I know I can deduct some portion of the facility fees as medical expenses on their taxes. What I'm trying to figure out is whether I can deduct the FULL amount (above the 7.5% income threshold). According to IRS rules, someone is considered "chronically ill" if they need "substantial" assistance with at least two ADLs. Since they have complete assistance with one ADL (bathing) and only partial help with another (dressing where they mostly do it themselves but get help with buttons and socks), does this count as meeting the "chronically ill" definition? Or does "partial" assistance not qualify as "substantial" assistance with that second ADL? I'm leaning toward thinking they don't quite meet the definition since the dressing assistance is described as "partial" rather than "substantial" - which would mean I can't take the full deduction. Am I interpreting this correctly?

PaulineW

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Based on IRS rules, the definition of "chronically ill" for tax purposes requires substantial assistance with at least two Activities of Daily Living (ADLs). From what you've described, your parents receive full assistance with bathing (which clearly counts as one ADL) and partial assistance with dressing. The key question is whether the "partial" assistance with dressing meets the "substantial" threshold required by the IRS. Generally, "substantial assistance" means hands-on or standby assistance without which the person would be unable to perform the ADL. If your parents truly couldn't dress themselves without some help, even if it's just with buttons and socks, this might qualify as substantial assistance. However, if the facility's assessment specifically characterizes the dressing assistance as "partial" rather than "substantial," you may have difficulty claiming both ADLs meet the requirement. The documentation from the care facility will be crucial here - their professional assessment carries weight.

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Thanks for responding! The facility assessment uses terms like "minimal" to "extensive" to describe the level of assistance. For bathing, they're marked as needing "extensive" help (basically someone does it for them). For dressing, they're marked as needing "moderate" help. There's a note that says they can put on most clothes themselves but need physical help with socks, shoes, and sometimes buttons due to arthritis. Does the IRS have a specific definition of what counts as "substantial" that I could compare to?

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PaulineW

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The IRS doesn't provide an exact percentage or specific definition of "substantial" in quantitative terms. It's somewhat subjective, but generally means the person would be unable to perform the activity safely or completely without assistance. For your parents' situation, "moderate" assistance with dressing is in a gray area. The key factor is whether they could dress themselves completely without help. If their arthritis makes it impossible for them to put on socks or fasten buttons without assistance, and they would remain partially undressed without this help, you could reasonably argue this constitutes "substantial" assistance with that ADL.

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Chris Elmeda

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Does this actually work with complicated medical documents? My father-in-law has a 22-page assessment from his nursing home and I'm drowning trying to figure out what's deductible and what's not. Does it specifically tell you which portions count toward that chronically ill definition?

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Quinn Herbert

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Don't forget that you need a certification from a licensed healthcare practitioner that the chronic illness is expected to last at least 90 days. This certification needs to be done annually. I got tripped up on this requirement when claiming assisted living expenses for my mother. The IRS publication 502 has all the details on what qualifies, but it's pretty dense reading. We had her doctor complete Form 2652 (Certification of Long-Term Care Services) to document her condition properly. Without this form, even if they clearly meet the ADL requirements, the IRS might disallow the deduction.

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That's really helpful to know! I didn't realize we needed an annual certification form. Do we need to submit that form with the tax return, or just keep it with our records in case of an audit?

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Quinn Herbert

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You don't need to submit the form with your tax return, but you absolutely need to keep it with your tax records. The IRS specifically looks for this documentation if they question the deduction. A tip from my experience: ask the doctor to be very specific about which ADLs require assistance and why. My mother's first certification just said she needed "help with daily activities" which wasn't specific enough. When we got a revised one that specifically mentioned she required substantial assistance with bathing and dressing due to severe arthritis, we had no issues with the deduction.

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Salim Nasir

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Just FYI - many assisted living facilities will provide a letter at tax time that breaks down what portion of the monthly fee is for medical care versus the residential portion. For my grandmother, about 40% of her monthly payment was deemed medical care by the facility. However, if your parents qualify as "chronically ill" as you're trying to determine, you can potentially deduct much more. We ended up getting a proper certification from her doctor as mentioned above, and were able to deduct about 85% of the total cost since most of the services were deemed medically necessary for someone meeting the chronically ill definition.

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Hazel Garcia

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This was our experience too. The facility gave us a tax letter saying 35% was medical, but after getting the proper certification and documentation, we were able to deduct almost all of it. The difference was huge - like an additional $24,000 in deductions.

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Based on everyone's experiences shared here, it sounds like you're in a similar situation to what many others have faced. The key seems to be getting proper medical documentation that supports the "substantial assistance" requirement, regardless of how the facility describes the level of help. Since your parents have arthritis affecting their ability to dress themselves (needing help with socks, shoes, and buttons), I'd recommend getting their doctor to complete Form 2652 specifically documenting that they require substantial assistance with both bathing and dressing due to their medical condition. The fact that they physically cannot complete these tasks without help due to arthritis should qualify as "substantial assistance" even if the facility calls it "moderate." The medical necessity aspect seems to carry more weight with the IRS than the exact terminology used by care facilities. Given that we're talking about potentially significant deduction amounts, it's probably worth the effort to get the proper medical certification and documentation in place.

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Ryder Ross

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This is exactly the guidance I was looking for! Thank you Benjamin. It sounds like the medical documentation route is definitely the way to go rather than getting hung up on whether "moderate" vs "substantial" terminology meets the threshold. I'm going to schedule an appointment with their primary care physician to get Form 2652 completed, making sure to emphasize the arthritis impact on their daily functioning. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it seems like having that medical backing makes all the difference in supporting the deduction. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences with this - it's so much more helpful than trying to interpret the IRS publications on my own!

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Carmen Vega

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the IRS also considers someone "chronically ill" if they require substantial supervision to protect their health and safety due to severe cognitive impairment. This might not apply to your parents' situation since they're in independent living, but it's worth noting for others reading this thread. Also, keep detailed records of all the assistance your parents receive - even things like medication reminders or safety checks. Sometimes facilities provide more medical-type services than initially apparent, and these can strengthen your case for the chronically ill designation. The more comprehensive medical documentation you have, the stronger your position will be if questioned. Good luck with getting Form 2652 completed - that really does seem to be the key piece of documentation that makes the difference between partial and full deductibility!

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Zainab Ali

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That's a really good point about the cognitive impairment pathway - I hadn't considered that alternative definition. Even though my parents are mentally sharp, it's helpful to know there are multiple ways someone can qualify as "chronically ill" under the tax code. Your suggestion about documenting all the assistance they receive is spot on too. Looking back at their care plan, they do get medication reminders twice daily and wellness checks, which I hadn't really thought of as "medical services" before. These might help build a stronger case for the overall medical necessity of their care arrangement. Thanks for the additional insights! It's amazing how much more complex this gets once you start digging into all the details.

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