Can a self-employed person deduct their own salary on taxes? Is paying myself a tax write-off?
I've been running a small business for about 2 years now (I host paid Dungeons & Dragons game sessions) and I'm trying to figure out how to reduce my tax burden. Last week I was venting to my buddy who's had his own landscaping business for like 6 years about how much I got hammered with taxes this year. During our conversation, he asked if I was "paying myself" from the business. I was confused and told him no, I just take whatever money comes in from the game sessions and use it as my income. He seemed surprised and said I could potentially pay myself an actual salary and somehow deduct that from my taxes. Is this actually legit? I've never heard of this before and I'm wondering if he's confusing something or if I'm missing out on a big tax deduction. If it is real, how exactly would I set this up? Do I need to create a separate account or something? I made about $22,000 from my D&D sessions last year if that matters.
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Miguel Alvarez
What your friend is likely referring to depends on how your business is structured legally. If you're just operating as a sole proprietor (which is what it sounds like), you can't "pay yourself" as a deductible expense. The profits of the business ARE your income, reported on Schedule C, and you pay self-employment tax on that. However, if you incorporated as an S-Corporation, you could pay yourself a "reasonable salary" and then take additional money as distributions, which aren't subject to self-employment taxes. This can save on taxes because you only pay FICA taxes on the salary portion. For a business making $22,000, the costs and complexities of incorporating probably outweigh the tax benefits, honestly. You'd have payroll taxes, more complicated tax filings, and possibly accounting fees.
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CyberSiren
•Oh that makes more sense! So it's not something I can just start doing right away as a sole proprietor? I've just been filing a Schedule C with my personal taxes. Would it be worth looking into changing my business structure at my income level? Or should I wait until I'm making more money?
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Miguel Alvarez
•You're correct that as a sole proprietor filing Schedule C, you can't deduct "paying yourself" - that's just your profit. At $22,000, I wouldn't recommend changing your business structure yet. The general rule of thumb is that S-Corp tax savings usually start making sense when your business profits are consistently above $40,000-50,000. Below that, the costs of maintaining the corporation (annual fees, additional tax preparation costs, payroll processing) can outweigh the benefits. Focus on legitimate business deductions instead - supplies, venue costs, reference materials, even a portion of your home if you use it regularly and exclusively for business purposes.
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Zainab Yusuf
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Connor O'Reilly
•Does this actually work for small operations? I do some freelance graphic design but only made like $15K last year. Would this be overkill for someone like me or actually helpful?
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Yara Khoury
•I'm skeptical about tax software being able to find deductions that standard software like TurboTax wouldn't catch. What specific deductions did it help you find that you hadn't known about before?
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Paolo Marino
Something else to consider for your D&D business - make sure you're tracking ALL your legitimate business expenses. Things like: - D&D books and materials - Dice, maps, miniatures - Digital tools subscriptions (D&D Beyond, Roll20, etc) - Venue costs if you're not hosting at home - Printing costs for handouts - Portion of internet if you do online sessions Those deductions can add up fast and are totally legitimate business expenses that would reduce your taxable income.
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CyberSiren
•Thanks for the suggestions! I do track most of those already, but I didn't think about deducting part of my internet for online sessions (I do about half in-person, half online). Would I just calculate what percentage of my total internet usage is for business?
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Paolo Marino
•Yes, exactly! You'd determine what percentage of your internet use is for business purposes. If you're using it for online D&D sessions regularly, you can estimate the percentage. For example, if you use your internet about 50% of the time for business, you can deduct 50% of your internet bill as a business expense. Just make sure you keep good records of your online sessions (dates, times, payment receipts) so you can justify the business use percentage if ever questioned. And remember, it needs to be regular and ongoing use, not just occasional. With half your sessions being online, that's definitely a legitimate business expense!
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Amina Bah
Has anyone run into issues with the hobby loss rule with something like D&D sessions? I'm worried the IRS might consider my similar side gig a hobby rather than a business.
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Miguel Alvarez
•The key to avoiding the hobby loss rule is showing that you're running your D&D sessions as a business with the intent to make a profit. Keep good records, have separate business accounts, track all expenses properly, create a business plan, and be professional about how you operate. The IRS generally uses a "3 out of 5" guideline - if you show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they typically consider it a legitimate business. Since OP mentioned they were "hit hard with taxes," it sounds like they're profitable, which helps their case significantly.
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Amina Bah
•That makes sense, thanks! I've been profitable 2 of the last 3 years, so I think I'm on the right track. I do have separate tracking for all my game master income and expenses, but I should probably open a dedicated bank account to make it even clearer.
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Oliver Becker
I went through the S-Corp route with my freelance writing business and can confirm it saved me several thousand in self-employment taxes, BUT - and this is a big but - it only made sense once I was consistently making over $70k. The accounting and filing fees cost me about $1,200/year plus the extra time dealing with payroll. Stick with Schedule C for now, maximize your legitimate deductions, and revisit the business structure question when your income grows. The tax savings need to outweigh the additional costs and complications.
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