Can a Disqualified Person Guarantee a Loan for a Private Foundation [501(c)(3)] Without Self-Dealing?
I'm in a bit of a tricky situation with our family foundation and would appreciate some guidance. I'm trying to understand the self-dealing rules for private foundations under Section 4941. I understand that if a substantial contributor (like the founder) lends money to the private foundation, it's considered self-dealing. There's an exception if the loan is interest-free, which makes sense. But here's my actual question: If our foundation needs to take out a bank loan, can I (as a substantial contributor and disqualified person) personally guarantee that loan? Or would that also be considered self-dealing? I know that if the situation were reversed - if the foundation guaranteed a loan to me as a disqualified person - that would definitely be self-dealing. The IRS considers that "a use for the benefit of a disqualified person of the income or assets of a private foundation." But does this rule work both ways? Does it prohibit me from guaranteeing the foundation's loan? I've spent countless hours researching this and can't find a definitive answer either way. The foundation needs the loan for a major building renovation project, but I don't want to trigger any self-dealing violations. Any insights, discussion, or suggestions for other research sources would be incredibly helpful!
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Samantha Howard
The IRS rules on self-dealing for private foundations can be quite tricky, and you're right to be cautious here. While Section 4941(d)(2)(B) specifically prohibits loans from disqualified persons to private foundations (with the interest-free exception you noted), the question of loan guarantees is more nuanced. Based on my understanding, when a disqualified person guarantees a loan for a private foundation, it could potentially be viewed as an indirect extension of credit to the foundation. The self-dealing rules are generally interpreted very broadly by the IRS to protect foundation assets. The concern would be that by guaranteeing the loan, you're potentially providing something of value to the foundation (your credit worthiness) which might be construed as an indirect financial transaction. Your best course of action would be to request a private letter ruling from the IRS on your specific situation before proceeding. You could also consider alternative financing arrangements that clearly avoid any appearance of self-dealing, such as securing the loan solely with foundation assets. While not definitive legal advice, I hope this helps provide some context for your situation!
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Megan D'Acosta
•Thanks for the insight! How long does it usually take to get a private letter ruling from the IRS? Our renovation project is somewhat time-sensitive. Also, would you happen to know how much a private letter ruling costs?
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Samantha Howard
•Getting a private letter ruling typically takes around 3-6 months, though it can sometimes take longer depending on the complexity of your issue and the IRS's current workload. The user fee for a private letter ruling varies based on the type of request, but for most private foundation issues, you're looking at approximately $6,000 to $30,000, plus professional fees for the attorney who prepares the request. If your renovation is time-sensitive, you might want to explore if there are alternative financing options that clearly avoid self-dealing concerns, such as using foundation assets as collateral rather than personal guarantees.
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Sarah Ali
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Ryan Vasquez
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Avery Saint
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Sarah Ali
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Ryan Vasquez
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Taylor Chen
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Keith Davidson
•How does this Claimyr thing actually work? I've been trying to reach someone at the IRS about our 501(c)(3) status for months, but I just get stuck on hold forever and eventually give up. I'm skeptical that any service could actually get through.
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Ezra Bates
•This sounds too good to be true. The IRS barely answers their phones for basic tax questions, let alone having specialists available for complex nonprofit issues. Are you sure you're not just talking to random IRS customer service reps who aren't actually qualified to give guidance on private foundation rules?
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Taylor Chen
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Ezra Bates
I want to follow up on my skeptical comment about Claimyr. I decided to try it yesterday out of desperation after waiting on hold with the IRS for 3+ hours on multiple days trying to get clarification on our foundation's situation. I'm honestly shocked - it worked exactly as described. I got a call back within about 45 minutes, and was connected directly to an IRS representative. I asked to be transferred to someone in the Exempt Organizations department, and after a brief hold, I was speaking with a specialist who actually understood private foundation rules. While she couldn't give me an official ruling on my specific situation (loan guarantees by disqualified persons), she did point me to several relevant resources including a technical advice memorandum that addresses similar scenarios. She also suggested that alternative financing arrangements would be safer from a compliance standpoint. Just wanted to share my experience since I was so skeptical initially.
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Ana Erdoğan
One alternative approach your foundation might consider is obtaining a direct grant or program-related investment from another private foundation that supports similar causes. This could help fund your renovation project without involving disqualified persons in any financial transactions. Many larger foundations have programs specifically designed to help smaller foundations with capital projects. This approach completely sidesteps the self-dealing concerns and might even result in funding that doesn't need to be repaid.
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Benjamin Kim
•That's an interesting suggestion I hadn't considered. Do you know of any resources for finding foundations that might offer these kinds of program-related investments? Our renovation project focuses on expanding services for homeless youth, if that helps narrow things down.
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Ana Erdoğan
•The Foundation Center (now part of Candid) maintains a database called Foundation Directory Online that lets you search for foundations that provide program-related investments and capital grants. You can filter by geographic focus and program area, so your homeless youth focus would definitely help narrow things down. Many community foundations also have specific funds for capital projects serving vulnerable populations. Another approach is to reach out to your regional association of grantmakers - they often know which foundations in your area are interested in these types of investments and can make introductions. The National Center for Family Philanthropy might also be helpful since they specifically work with family foundations and understand the unique challenges they face.
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Sophia Carson
Curious if anyone has actually received an excise tax penalty for this kind of technical self-dealing? My understanding is that if it's not an obvious abuse (like a disqualified person getting personal benefit), the IRS generally issues a warning to fix the arrangement rather than immediately imposing penalties. Has that been others' experience?
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Elijah Knight
•I worked with a foundation that got hit with penalties for what seemed like a minor technical violation. The foundation had a loan guaranteed by the founder (similar to what OP is asking about) and during an audit, the IRS determined it was self-dealing. They had to unwind the transaction AND pay a 10% excise tax on the loan amount. The founder also had to pay a separate 5% tax. It was a mess and cost them way more than just finding proper financing initially.
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Mateo Hernandez
Based on my experience with private foundation compliance, I'd strongly recommend avoiding the personal guarantee approach altogether. The self-dealing rules under Section 4941 are intentionally broad, and the IRS tends to interpret them strictly when it comes to any financial arrangements between disqualified persons and private foundations. Even if a personal guarantee might technically be defensible, the risk isn't worth it. The excise taxes can be substantial (as Elijah mentioned), and unwinding these arrangements later is costly and time-consuming. For your building renovation project, consider these alternatives: 1. Use foundation assets as collateral instead of personal guarantees 2. Explore grants from other foundations (as Ana suggested) 3. Consider a capital campaign targeting non-disqualified donors 4. Break the project into phases to reduce the loan amount needed The key is finding financing that keeps disqualified persons completely out of the transaction chain. It might take longer or cost more upfront, but it's much safer from a compliance perspective. Have you looked into whether your foundation's current assets could serve as sufficient collateral for the loan?
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Paige Cantoni
•This is really helpful advice, Mateo. I'm new to managing our family foundation and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed by all these compliance rules. Your point about keeping disqualified persons completely out of the transaction chain makes a lot of sense from a risk management perspective. I'm curious about your suggestion to use foundation assets as collateral - would that include investments like stocks and bonds, or are you thinking more about real estate and other tangible assets? Our foundation has a decent investment portfolio but not much in terms of physical assets that could serve as collateral. Also, has anyone here had experience with phased construction projects? I'm wondering if breaking our renovation into smaller pieces might actually help us qualify for different types of grants that have lower funding limits.
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Jessica Nolan
I've been through a similar situation with our family foundation, and I want to emphasize how important it is to get this right from the start. The self-dealing rules are one area where the IRS doesn't give you much wiggle room. From what I've learned through our foundation's compliance journey, personal guarantees by disqualified persons create exactly the kind of indirect benefit arrangement that the IRS scrutinizes heavily. Even though you're trying to help the foundation, the guarantee provides something of value (your creditworthiness) that could be seen as an extension of credit. One approach that worked well for us was working with a community development financial institution (CDFI) that specializes in nonprofit lending. They often have more flexible collateral requirements and understand the unique constraints that private foundations face. Some CDFIs will accept investment portfolios as collateral without requiring personal guarantees from board members. Also, don't overlook the possibility of securing bridge financing from a bank while you pursue grant funding for portions of the project. This could reduce the total loan amount needed and make it easier to secure financing based solely on foundation assets. The peace of mind from knowing you're fully compliant is worth the extra effort to structure the financing properly. Good luck with your renovation project!
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Giovanni Marino
•This is excellent advice about working with CDFIs! I hadn't even heard of community development financial institutions before, but it sounds like they might be exactly what our foundation needs. Do you happen to remember which CDFI you worked with, or could you recommend any resources for finding ones that specialize in nonprofit lending? I'm also really intrigued by your bridge financing suggestion. That seems like a smart way to reduce the overall risk while still moving forward with the project timeline. Did you find that banks were more willing to work with foundations when it was clearly temporary financing with grant funding already in the pipeline? The compliance peace of mind factor you mentioned really resonates with me. I keep thinking about that story Elijah shared about the foundation that got hit with penalties - that's exactly the kind of nightmare scenario I want to avoid!
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