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Yuki Ito

Can Section 179 deductions flow through to S Corps & LLCs with Trust ownership?

I've been digging through tax publications for the past week and I'm getting more confused by the minute. From what I can tell, if a trust owns an S Corporation or LLC, the Section 179 deduction doesn't pass through to that shareholder/member, even if it's a revocable trust that's treated as a disregarded entity for tax purposes. I'm hoping someone can tell me I'm misunderstanding this. My family set up a revocable living trust that owns our manufacturing business (S Corp), and we were planning to purchase some new CNC equipment this year that would qualify for Section 179. But now I'm worried we won't be able to take the deduction. Everything I read seems to suggest the trust ownership structure blocks the 179 deduction from flowing through. Does anyone have experience with this specific situation? Is there a way to still claim the Section 179 deduction with our current ownership structure? Please tell me I'm missing something!

Carmen Lopez

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The confusion is understandable! Section 179 rules can be tricky when trusts are involved. Here's what you need to know: For S Corps and LLCs with trust ownership, Section 179 treatment depends on the specific type of trust. You mentioned a revocable living trust that's treated as a disregarded entity - this is actually good news for you. If the trust is truly a grantor trust (where you're treated as the owner for tax purposes), then the Section 179 deduction generally CAN flow through to you. The restrictions you're reading about typically apply to irrevocable trusts or certain types of non-grantor trusts. Since your revocable living trust is likely a grantor trust, the business entity can still elect Section 179, and you as the deemed owner of the trust should be able to benefit from the deduction. I'd recommend confirming the specific classification of your trust and having your tax professional review your situation to ensure proper treatment. The key is whether the trust is a grantor trust where you're considered the owner for tax purposes.

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Thanks for the explanation! So does that mean if it was an irrevocable trust, then Section 179 wouldn't be available? What about electing small business trusts (ESBTs)? Can they take advantage of Section 179 deductions?

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Carmen Lopez

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For irrevocable non-grantor trusts, you're correct that Section 179 generally doesn't flow through - this is because Section 179 was designed primarily for individuals and wasn't extended to trusts in the same way. For Electing Small Business Trusts (ESBTs), it gets more complicated. ESBTs can be S corporation shareholders, but they have special tax treatment. The S corporation portion of an ESBT is taxed at the highest individual tax rate, and while the ESBT can report its share of the S corporation's income, the Section 179 deduction typically doesn't flow through to the ESBT beneficiaries. The deduction may be utilized at the trust level, but with limitations.

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Andre Dupont

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Jamal Wilson

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I'm curious how long the analysis took. My CPA keeps telling me to be patient but we've been waiting almost 3 weeks for an answer about our similar situation with trust-owned rental properties and potential Section 179 for some major HVAC upgrades.

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Andre Dupont

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Jamal Wilson

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Mei Lin

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GalacticGuru

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Amara Nnamani

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Just to add another perspective - my accountant showed me something called a "toggle trust" that can switch between grantor and non-grantor status. We structured our business ownership this way specifically to maximize tax benefits like Section 179. In our case, the trust is grantor during years when we want to utilize pass-through deductions like Section 179, but we can switch it to non-grantor status in years when that makes more sense for our overall tax situation. Not cheap to set up but has saved us a ton in taxes over the years. Might be worth exploring if your trust documents allow for this flexibility.

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Can you give a little more detail about how the toggle trust works? Does it require amending the trust every year, or is there just some election you make when filing? I'm interested but never heard of this approach before.

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Amara Nnamani

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It's actually built into the original trust document - no annual amendments needed. Our trust includes specific provisions that allow the trustee to "toggle" the grantor trust status on or off by exercising or releasing certain powers. For example, our trust has a provision where I (as the grantor) can substitute assets of equivalent value. Having this power makes it a grantor trust. But the document allows the trustee to temporarily suspend that power, which switches it to non-grantor status. We make this decision before year-end based on our tax projection. It's definitely not a DIY solution - requires specialized estate planning attorneys who understand both trust law and business taxation. But for businesses with substantial Section 179 potential, it can be a powerful tool.

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Surprised nobody has mentioned that if this is a business purchase, you could also consider bonus depreciation instead of Section 179. The rules are different and it might work better with your trust structure. For 2023 the bonus depreciation is 80%, dropping to 60% in 2024, 40% in 2025, and 20% in 2026 before going away completely. Might be worth looking into since it has different limitations than Section 179.

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Yuki Ito

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Thanks for bringing up bonus depreciation! I actually hadn't considered that as an alternative. Do you know if bonus depreciation has the same restrictions with trusts as Section 179? Would it flow through to the grantor in a similar way?

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Dylan Cooper

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Bonus depreciation CAN be a good alternative but watch out - the income limitations are different from Sec 179. I ended up getting caught last year where I couldn't claim all my bonus depreciation because of our business structure. Make sure you understand the passive activity rules too if your using it through a trust-owned entity.

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Rami Samuels

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where our family trust owns multiple LLCs, and I've been going in circles trying to figure out the Section 179 implications. One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you understand the annual Section 179 limits too. For 2024, the maximum deduction is $1,220,000 with a phase-out starting at $3,050,000 of qualifying purchases. But these limits apply at the individual level, so if you have multiple entities owned by the same grantor trust, you need to coordinate across all of them. Also, don't forget about the "taxable income limitation" - you can't claim more Section 179 than the taxable income from all your businesses combined. This caught us last year when we had a big equipment purchase but lower profits than expected. The combination of using taxr.ai for document analysis and Claimyr to actually talk to the IRS sounds like a solid approach. Sometimes you need that official confirmation from the horse's mouth, especially with complex trust structures.

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Yara Nassar

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Really appreciate you mentioning the coordination across multiple entities - that's something I hadn't fully considered! Our trust owns two different LLCs and I was thinking about the Section 179 limits separately for each one. The taxable income limitation is also a great point. We had a similar issue a few years back where we bought a lot of equipment but had an unexpectedly slow year, so we couldn't use the full deduction. Had to carry some of it forward. Given all the complexity discussed in this thread, it sounds like getting that official IRS confirmation through Claimyr might be worth it just for the peace of mind. Tax law is confusing enough without second-guessing yourself on a big deduction like this!

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Ezra Bates

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This has been an incredibly informative discussion! As someone new to this community but dealing with a similar trust/Section 179 situation, I wanted to share my recent experience. I had been struggling with this exact issue - our revocable trust owns an S-Corp that manufactures custom furniture, and we were looking at a major equipment purchase. After reading through this thread, I decided to try both services mentioned. First, I used taxr.ai to analyze our trust documents. Within 48 hours, I had a comprehensive report confirming that our grantor trust structure would allow the Section 179 deduction to flow through. The analysis was thorough and included specific tax code references. Then I used Claimyr to get official IRS confirmation. After weeks of failed attempts to reach the IRS on my own, I was connected to an agent in about 40 minutes. The agent confirmed the analysis and even provided additional guidance on proper documentation. One thing I'd add to this discussion - make sure your trust documents explicitly identify it as a grantor trust. The IRS agent mentioned that unclear language in trust documents can sometimes create complications during audits. Our attorney had to amend one provision to make the grantor status crystal clear. Total cost for both services was under $500, but it potentially saved us from losing out on a $75,000+ deduction. Sometimes the peace of mind and speed is worth paying for professional analysis rather than spending weeks researching on your own.

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Thank you for sharing your experience with both services! As someone who's been lurking in tax forums for a while but never posted, this thread finally convinced me to create an account and contribute. I'm in a very similar boat - our family revocable trust owns a small manufacturing business (LLC taxed as S-Corp), and we've been putting off a major equipment purchase partly because of confusion about Section 179 eligibility. Your point about ensuring the trust documents explicitly identify grantor status is particularly valuable - I suspect our documents might have some ambiguous language that could cause issues. The combination approach you described (taxr.ai for initial analysis followed by Claimyr for IRS confirmation) seems like the most thorough way to handle this. $500 for that level of certainty on a potential $75k+ deduction is definitely worth it. One quick question - when you spoke with the IRS agent, did they mention anything about how long you should keep the documentation from the analysis? I'm always paranoid about audit trails, especially with larger deductions like this.

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