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Have you considered hiring a tax professional to help you out? Sometimes it's worth paying someone who knows how to navigate the system.

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I've thought about it, but was hoping to avoid the extra expense. Might have to bite the bullet though if I can't get this sorted soon.

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Zara Mirza

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Another option is to try calling the IRS early in the morning (like 7 AM sharp when they open) or during lunch hours when call volume might be lower. I've had better luck getting through during those times. Also, if you have any local IRS Taxpayer Assistance Centers near you, you might be able to schedule an in-person appointment - sometimes that's faster than trying to get through on the phone. Just make sure to bring all your documents with you!

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Diego Vargas

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Just to clarify something important - whatever you claim, make sure you're getting receipts and the provider's tax ID number (EIN) or their Social Security number. The IRS requires you to report this information on Form 2441 when you claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit. I made this mistake once and had my return rejected. Had to go back to all my providers and get their tax info. Some smaller operations or individual instructors might be reluctant to provide this info (especially if they're not reporting the income), which is another indication they probably don't qualify as care providers for this credit.

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Thanks for mentioning this! I didn't even think about needing their tax ID info. The Taekwondo place is a legitimate business with receipts, but based on everyone's feedback, it sounds like they wouldn't qualify anyway since it's instructional rather than care. I think I'll stick with claiming only our regular daycare expenses and not try to include the Taekwondo. Better safe than sorry with tax stuff!

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Smart decision, Natasha! You're absolutely right to be cautious with tax claims. The distinction between care and instruction can be tricky, but the IRS is pretty strict about it. One thing that might help for future reference - if your daughter ever needs actual childcare (like during school breaks when you're working), look for programs that explicitly market themselves as "childcare" or "supervision" rather than just activities or classes. Even if they include fun activities like martial arts, the key is that their primary purpose is caring for children while parents work. Also, don't forget that your regular daycare expenses can be substantial for the credit - up to $3,000 per child or $6,000 for multiple children, with credit rates between 20-35% depending on your income. That's often a bigger benefit than trying to squeeze in borderline activities anyway.

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If you're still having trouble interpreting the transcript, another approach is to check your Return Transcript as well. While the Account Transcript shows processing codes, the Return Transcript shows what information the IRS has processed from your actual tax return. Sometimes comparing both can give you better insight into where your return stands. The Transaction Codes (TC) are the key indicators - especially TC 150 which confirms your return is in the system, and ultimately TC 846 which indicates your refund has been approved with the associated date. Don't get discouraged if it seems complex at first - the IRS system has a steep learning curve, especially for international filers.

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Just wanted to add - when you're looking at your Account Transcript, pay attention to the "as of" date at the top. This shows when the transcript was last updated. If your return was just filed recently, it might take a week or two before you see meaningful codes like TC 150. Also, the cycle codes can help predict processing timelines - generally returns with cycle codes ending in 01-04 process faster than those ending in 05. Don't panic if you don't see a refund date immediately - the system updates weekly, usually overnight on Fridays. The transcript can look overwhelming with all those numbers and codes, but focus on the basics first: TC 150 means they have your return, and TC 846 with a date means your refund is approved and scheduled.

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Has anyone here actually had their K-1 rejected or gotten a notice from the IRS for putting short-term rental income/losses in the wrong box? I'm wondering if this is really something the IRS focuses on or if it's more of a technical distinction that doesn't matter in practice.

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Justin Evans

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I haven't seen rejection specifically for box 2 vs box 3 issues, but incorrect reporting can create problems during an audit. The bigger practical impact is actually on your personal return - where you report the K-1 income affects how it's treated for self-employment tax, passive activity limitations, and potentially qualified business income deductions.

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Thanks for the insight. So it sounds like the box classification matters more for downstream tax treatment than for the actual filing acceptance. That makes sense - I was just trying to figure out if this was worth potentially amending prior returns or just getting it right going forward.

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Aaliyah Reed

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For anyone confused about this (like I was), here's the simple version based on what I learned when dealing with my vacation rental: Publication 925 classifies short-term rentals as "non-rental activities" for determining whether you can deduct losses against other income. But they're still reported in Box 2 of K-1 because they are still real estate. The real question you should be asking is whether you "materially participate" in your short-term rental business. If you do (spend 500+ hours managing it, for example), you might be able to deduct those losses against other income regardless of which box they're in on the K-1.

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Ella Russell

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This is what I've been looking for - a simple explanation! Is the 500 hour requirement per property or across all properties? I have 3 short term rentals and probably spend about 250-300 hours total managing them.

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Ruby Blake

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The 500 hour test is typically applied across all your rental activities combined, not per property. So if you're spending 250-300 hours total managing your 3 short-term rentals, you might be close but not quite there yet for material participation under that test. However, there are other material participation tests you might qualify under! For example, if your participation in the rental activities constitutes "substantially all" of the participation by all individuals (including employees) for the year, you could still qualify. This is often the case for individual short-term rental owners who handle most operations themselves. You should definitely track your hours more precisely and consider whether you meet any of the other 6 material participation tests beyond just the 500-hour rule.

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Need help with PFIC, pedigreed QEF, and form 8621 - completely lost!

I'm at my wit's end trying to figure out this PFIC situation for my taxes. I've literally called about 12 different CPAs and none of them can help me. Even tried H&R Block and they straight up told me they don't have software that can handle Form 8621 unless I pay for their business version (which seems ridiculous for my situation). So I've been researching PFICs like crazy and think I understand Form 8621 basics, but there are some specific issues I'm worried about. Back in 2021, I bought some shares of MTNF which was a K1 partnership at that time. It wasn't much, maybe around $2,700 worth. Then on August 15, 2022, there was this corporate merger, and now the investment meets all the requirements of a PFIC (passive foreign investment company). For my 2022 taxes, I received a final K1 but didn't file Form 8621 because honestly, I had no clue what a PFIC even was back then. Now doing my 2023 taxes, I've discovered the PFIC status and I'm trying to complete Form 8621 correctly. The investment has grown to around $19,000 now. From what I've read, since 2023 isn't my first year of ownership, I should make a deemed sale election (D) together with a QEF election to convert what's currently a section 1291 fund into a pedigreed QEF, using January 1 as the qualification date. But reading through the IRS instructions, there seem to be a ton of rules about when you're allowed to do this. I got stuck when the IRS website started describing eligibility requirements for making these elections. Can anyone help me understand if I'm on the right track here? Is the deemed sale + QEF election approach correct for my situation?

Miguel Silva

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you didn't file Form 8621 for 2022 when the PFIC status started, you might need to file amended returns. The IRS requires Form 8621 to be filed for each year you hold a PFIC, even if there are no transactions or elections being made. Missing this form can potentially suspend the statute of limitations on your entire tax return, meaning the IRS could audit that year indefinitely. You might want to file Form 8621 for 2022 with a "reasonable cause" statement explaining that you weren't aware of the PFIC status at that time. This could help avoid penalties.

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This is really important advice. I learned this the hard way after not filing 8621 for two years. I had to file amended returns AND pay a penalty. The "reasonable cause" statement can help but it's not guaranteed the IRS will accept it.

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Madison King

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I've been following this thread closely since I dealt with a similar PFIC situation last year. Based on your description, you're definitely on the right track with the deemed sale + QEF election approach, but there are a few critical details you need to nail down. First, regarding your 2022 situation - since MTNF became a PFIC on August 15, 2022, you technically should have filed Form 8621 for that partial year, even though you received a K1. The PFIC rules override the partnership tax treatment once the entity qualifies as a PFIC. As others mentioned, you should consider filing an amended 2022 return with Form 8621 and a reasonable cause statement explaining you weren't aware of the PFIC status change. For your 2023 deemed sale election, the key requirement is that you must be able to demonstrate that making a QEF election is "in the best interests of the taxpayer." This usually means you need to show that QEF treatment will result in lower taxes than the excess distribution method. The IRS looks at factors like your expected holding period and the fund's expected income profile. One thing to double-check: make sure your investment actually qualifies for deemed sale treatment. Some corporate reorganizations can complicate this, especially if there were multiple steps in the merger process. You might want to review the exact structure of that August 2022 transaction to confirm your basis calculations are correct. Have you been able to get any response from the company's investor relations team about the annual information statement yet?

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