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Omar Farouk

Can Schedule F farm deductions be taken in addition to standard deduction? Family Farm question.

Back when I was driving trucks for a living, I talked to a tax person about writing off my expenses. They basically told me that itemizing only makes sense if my total deductions were more than the standard deduction amount. Jump to now - my husband and I run a small family farm as a side business to bring in some extra income. Was chatting with a buddy at work about his small farm operation, and he mentioned we should be filling out Schedule F to claim all our farm expenses. The interesting part was he said it doesn't matter if our farm deductions don't exceed the standard deduction because they get deducted IN ADDITION to the standard deduction. Is this actually true? I don't want to file incorrectly and trigger an audit! We've spent about $3,800 on feed, equipment repairs, and seed this year, and I'd love to deduct these expenses if possible. Really appreciate any help you all can give - I'm clearly out of my depth with farm tax stuff!

Your friend is absolutely right! Schedule F is for reporting farm income and expenses as a business, which is completely separate from your personal deductions. When you operate a farm business (even a small one), you report all farm income and expenses on Schedule F. The net profit/loss from Schedule F then gets transferred to your Form 1040 as business income. This happens regardless of whether you take the standard deduction or itemize personal expenses on Schedule A. Think of it this way - your farm is a business, and those $3,800 expenses are business deductions, not personal itemized deductions. You can deduct those farm expenses on Schedule F AND still take the standard deduction for your personal expenses. They're two separate things! Just make sure you're legitimately operating your farm with the intent to make a profit, keep good records of all income and expenses, and you'll be fine.

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So does this apply to all small business deductions? Like if I do some freelance photography on the side, could I deduct my camera gear while also taking the standard deduction?

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Yes, this applies to all legitimate business activities! If you're doing freelance photography with the intention of making a profit, you would report that income and expenses on Schedule C rather than Schedule F (which is specifically for farming). You can absolutely deduct your camera gear and other business expenses on Schedule C while still taking the standard deduction for your personal expenses. Just remember that business expenses must be ordinary and necessary for your specific business to qualify. Also, keep detailed records of everything in case of an audit.

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Just want to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your farm shows losses for 3 or more years out of 5, the IRS might classify it as a "hobby" rather than a business. If that happens, you lose the ability to deduct expenses against other income. To protect yourself, keep detailed records showing your efforts to make your farm profitable. This includes business plans, marketing efforts, changes in operating methods, etc. The IRS looks at your "intent to make a profit" when determining if your farm is a legitimate business.

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Thanks for mentioning this! We are definitely running it as a legitimate business but have had losses the first two years. How do we prove we're trying to be profitable? We've been expanding our crops and started selling at two more farmers markets this year.

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The farmers market expansion is exactly the kind of thing you want to document! Keep records of all your market applications, booth fees, and sales records. Take photos of your setup and keep a log of each market day. Keep track of any courses or workshops you attend related to farming or business improvement. Document changes in your growing methods that are aimed at increasing yield or reducing costs. Save copies of any advertising or marketing materials you create. Maintain a simple business plan that you update yearly showing your strategy for reaching profitability.

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Quick warning - don't forget to pay self-employment tax on your farm income! Schedule F income is subject to self-employment tax (15.3% covering both Social Security and Medicare). This catches a lot of new farmers by surprise.

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You can offset this somewhat by taking advantage of the QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction though, right? That's a 20% deduction for pass-through business income that applies to farms.

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Omar, your buddy gave you solid advice! As a newcomer to farm taxes myself, I was confused about this same thing last year. Schedule F business deductions are completely separate from your personal standard deduction - you get both! Think of it this way: your farm is a business entity, so those $3,800 in feed, equipment repairs, and seed costs are business expenses that get deducted on Schedule F. Meanwhile, you as an individual can still claim the standard deduction (or itemize if that's better) for your personal expenses. They don't interact with each other at all. Just make sure you keep detailed records of all your farm income and expenses, and that you're operating with genuine profit intent. The IRS wants to see that this is a real business, not just a hobby. Good luck with your farming venture!

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