Tax Deductions for New Farm Operation with No Revenue Yet
I just dove into farming last summer when I bought a property with 12 acres and I'm hoping to turn it into a small farm business. Right now I'm very much in the setup phase - repairing old barn structures, putting up proper fencing, and clearing out some overgrown areas. I've invested in a few chickens and goats to start learning the ropes, but nothing close to what I'd need for a real operation. I've put some serious money into this venture already, especially with a tractor that cost me more than I want to admit. The thing is, I haven't sold a single egg or gallon of goat milk yet, and probably won't have anything market-ready until sometime in 2025. My question is about tax deductions - can I claim these startup expenses on my taxes this year even though I haven't made a dime from the farm yet? Or do I need to wait until I actually have some farm income in 2025 to start taking deductions? I'm particularly concerned about writing off that tractor purchase since it was a major investment.
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Amara Eze
You can absolutely deduct farming expenses before you start generating revenue, but you need to be careful about how you do it. The IRS allows for business deductions when you're actively engaged in business activities, even during the startup phase. The key here is showing that you have a genuine profit motive and aren't just treating this as a hobby. For your tractor and other large equipment purchases, you have a few options. You can depreciate them over several years (typically 5-7 years for farm equipment), take bonus depreciation, or potentially use Section 179 to deduct the full cost in the first year. However, Section 179 is most beneficial when you have income to offset. Make sure you're keeping detailed records of all expenses and documenting your business activities. Create a business plan showing your path to profitability, maintain separate business accounts, and document your time spent on farm activities. This will be very important if you're showing losses in the beginning years.
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Liam McGuire
•Thanks for the detailed response! So if I understand correctly, I can start deducting expenses now even without revenue, but I need to prove it's a legitimate business attempt and not just a hobby. Does having a separate bank account and LLC formation help establish this? Also, for the tractor specifically, if I choose to depreciate it over several years, when does that depreciation start - this year or when I begin making sales?
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Amara Eze
•Having a separate bank account is absolutely essential - it demonstrates business intent and makes record-keeping much cleaner. An LLC isn't required but can help establish business legitimacy. What's most important is showing a profit motive through your actions and documentation. For the tractor, depreciation starts when you place the equipment "in service" for your business - meaning when it's ready and available for use in your farm operation. This can be before you generate any revenue. So if you're already using the tractor for business purposes like clearing land and preparing for livestock, depreciation would start this year, not when sales begin.
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Giovanni Greco
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•How does it handle the distinction between farm improvements that need to be capitalized versus ones you can expense immediately? My accountant keeps giving me conflicting info about fencing - sometimes saying it's depreciable over 7 years, other times saying I can deduct it all at once.
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Dylan Wright
•I'm a bit skeptical tbh. Does it actually give you advice that's different from what you'd get from any basic farm tax guide? Farm taxes aren't exactly uncommon and most tax software handles this fine. What makes this worth using instead of just talking to a CPA who specializes in ag?
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Giovanni Greco
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Ava Rodriguez
Don't forget about the "uniform capitalization rules" (UNICAP) that might apply to your farm startup costs. These rules require you to capitalize certain costs rather than deduct them immediately - especially relevant for things like plants that have a preproductive period of more than 2 years. However, if your gross receipts are under $27 million, you may qualify for an exemption from these rules. And there's also a special election small farmers can make to avoid UNICAP rules, though it requires using the alternative depreciation system for certain farm assets.
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Liam McGuire
•I've never heard of UNICAP before - does this apply to livestock too or just plants? And what's the "alternative depreciation system" you mentioned? Is that going to reduce my deductions if I choose that route?
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Ava Rodriguez
•UNICAP can apply to both plants and animals that have longer development periods. For plants, it's those with preproductive periods over 2 years (like apple trees). For animals, it applies to those with preproductive periods over 12 months (think cattle raised for breeding). The Alternative Depreciation System (ADS) generally stretches out the depreciation period longer than the standard system, which means smaller annual deductions but spread over more years. For example, a tractor might be depreciated over 7 years under the standard system but 10 years under ADS. It's a trade-off - you get to avoid the complexity of UNICAP rules, but you'll have somewhat smaller annual depreciation deductions. For many small farmers, the simplification is worth the slightly reduced annual deduction.
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Miguel Diaz
Just wanna add that if you're not making a profit for several years, the IRS might classify your farm as a hobby rather than a business. Generally, they expect you to show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years (though the rule is 2 out of 7 years for horse operations). If you get classified as a hobby, you lose all those business deductions. So document EVERYTHING that shows you're trying to make a profit - your business plan, marketing efforts, education/training, improvements aimed at efficiency, etc.
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Zainab Ahmed
•Actually, they changed the hobby loss rules with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Hobby expenses aren't deductible at all anymore until at least 2025, which makes the business vs hobby distinction even more critical now. I found that out the hard way with my beekeeping operation last year.
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Javier Morales
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of keeping a detailed activity log from day one. I learned this the hard way when the IRS audited my small farm operation three years in. They wanted to see proof that I was spending substantial time on legitimate business activities, not just weekend hobby farming. I'd recommend tracking your hours weekly - time spent researching markets, maintaining equipment, caring for animals, preparing land, etc. Also document any educational activities like attending farming workshops, reading agricultural publications, or consulting with extension agents. This creates a paper trail showing business intent even before you have revenue. One more tip: consider getting your farm business properly registered and obtaining any necessary licenses or permits for your area, even if you're not selling yet. Having official recognition as an agricultural operation strengthens your position if questions arise about business legitimacy.
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Isabella Martin
•This is excellent advice about keeping detailed activity logs! I wish I had known this when I started my small operation. One question though - do you need to track literally every hour, or is a general weekly summary sufficient? I'm worried about creating too much paperwork that becomes burdensome, but I also don't want to be unprepared if questioned by the IRS. Also, regarding the business registration you mentioned - are there any downsides to registering early? I'm concerned about triggering additional reporting requirements or fees before I'm actually generating income.
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