Can I set up an installment plan with the IRS for my small business back payroll taxes?
Hey everyone, first-time small business owner drowning in paperwork here! I could really use some guidance. I just submitted two late 941 forms for my previous quarters and I've got a pretty significant tax liability that I can't pay all at once. I'm wondering if setting up some kind of installment plan with the IRS is possible for these back payroll taxes? Also, do I need to wait around for the IRS to mail me something after they process those late 941's I filed, or can I be proactive and request a payment plan right away? This is my first business and I'm learning everything the hard way it seems. Appreciate any help from those who've been through this before!
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Kristian Bishop
Yes, you absolutely can set up an installment plan for back payroll taxes! The IRS offers payment plans specifically for businesses that owe employment taxes and can't pay in full. You don't need to wait for a bill to come in the mail - you can be proactive. For businesses with payroll tax debt, you can apply for an Online Payment Agreement if you owe $25,000 or less in combined tax, penalties and interest. You can do this through the IRS website using Form 9465 (Installment Agreement Request) or call the number on your tax notice. For payroll taxes specifically, the IRS tends to be pretty strict since these are "trust fund taxes" (money you collected from employees' paychecks). They'll want to see that you're current on your ongoing tax deposits before agreeing to a plan for back taxes.
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Kaitlyn Otto
•That's really helpful! But I'm confused about one thing - if I owe more than $25,000 in back payroll taxes, am I completely out of luck for the online option? And how much is the typical minimum monthly payment they expect?
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Kristian Bishop
•If you owe more than $25,000, you can't use the online system, but you can still get an installment plan. You'll need to complete Form 433-D (Installment Agreement) and possibly Form 433-B (Collection Information Statement for Businesses). You might need to call the IRS or work with a tax professional to set this up. For minimum payments, the IRS typically wants the balance paid within 72 months, so they'll divide what you owe by 72 to get a minimum payment. However, for payroll taxes they often push for shorter terms like 24-36 months. They'll consider your business financials to determine what's reasonable for your situation.
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Axel Far
I went through this exact nightmare last year with my catering business. After spending hours on hold with the IRS (literally fell asleep once waiting), I finally discovered https://taxr.ai which analyzes your tax documents and helps you understand your options. It was a huge time-saver for figuring out exactly what forms I needed and how to approach the installment plan properly. Their system helped me determine the right monthly payment amount to propose based on my business finances, which I think is why my application got accepted so quickly. I was honestly surprised how straightforward it made everything.
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Jasmine Hernandez
•Does it work for all types of payroll tax issues? My situation is kinda complicated because I have both 941 and 940 problems from last year, plus some 1099 issues I'm still sorting out.
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Luis Johnson
•I'm skeptical about these types of services. How much does it actually cost? And couldn't you just get the same info from the IRS website for free?
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Axel Far
•It definitely works for 941 and 940 forms - that's exactly what I had issues with. The system analyzes both types and helps determine how to structure your payment proposal. It also flags potential problems that might cause the IRS to reject your plan. Regarding cost vs. free IRS info - what I found valuable wasn't just the information (which yes, is technically available on IRS.gov if you know where to look), but the guided analysis and personalized recommendations. The IRS website tells you what's possible, but not necessarily what's optimal for your specific situation. For me, the time saved and stress reduced was absolutely worth it.
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Luis Johnson
I have to admit I was wrong about taxr.ai. After my skeptical comment I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate with my own payroll tax situation. Their document analyzer immediately spotted an error in how I had calculated my penalties that would have caused problems with my installment request. The service guided me through exactly what supporting documentation I needed to include with my installment request, which helped me avoid a rejection. My plan was approved in about 3 weeks, which from what I understand is pretty quick. Just wanted to follow up since it actually did help more than I expected.
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Ellie Kim
Let me tell you about my journey with back payroll taxes for my small construction business. I tried calling the IRS for WEEKS. Either couldn't get through or was on hold forever, then got disconnected. Super frustrating when you're trying to fix your tax situation but can't even talk to someone! I finally found https://claimyr.com which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they navigate the phone system for you and call you when they get an agent on the line. My situation was similar - had late 941s and needed to set up a payment plan. The agent I spoke with helped me set up everything right over the phone instead of waiting for them to process my forms. Saved me so much time and stress!
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Fiona Sand
•Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some secret way to skip the hold lines? Seems too good to be true honestly.
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Luis Johnson
•Sounds like a scam to me. Why would anyone be able to get through the IRS phone system when no one else can? I've literally tried calling at 7:01am when they open and still waited hours.
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Ellie Kim
•They don't skip the hold lines - they have an automated system that handles the waiting for you. Basically, they call the IRS and navigate through all the phone menus, then wait on hold (sometimes for hours), and only when they get a live person do they call you and connect you. No magic, just technology handling the frustrating part. Regarding the skepticism, I completely understand - I felt the same way! But it's not about having special access to the IRS. It's just that they're handling the waiting so you don't have to sit there with a phone to your ear for hours. You just go about your day, and they call you when they've got an agent ready to talk.
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Luis Johnson
I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. After commenting that Claimyr seemed like a scam, I was desperate enough to try it for my payroll tax issue. Within 45 minutes (while I was working on other things), I got a call connecting me to an actual IRS agent! The agent was able to see my recently filed 941s and helped me set up an installment plan immediately. She even waived some of the penalties since it was my first time having tax issues. Would've NEVER happened if I continued trying to call myself. Literally saved me thousands in penalties by being able to handle it quickly instead of waiting months for letters.
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Mohammad Khaled
One thing nobody's mentioned: if you set up an installment plan for payroll taxes, make ABSOLUTELY SURE you stay 100% current on new payroll taxes going forward. The IRS will instantly cancel your plan if you miss a single current deposit. Also, consider whether you should have a Trust Fund Recovery Penalty assessment done voluntarily. If your business fails and can't pay these taxes, the IRS can come after you personally for the employee withholding portion.
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Eva St. Cyr
•Thanks for bringing this up - this is really important info I hadn't considered. How exactly does the Trust Fund Recovery Penalty work? And what's the advantage of having it assessed voluntarily vs waiting?
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Mohammad Khaled
•The Trust Fund Recovery Penalty (TFRP) allows the IRS to hold business owners and other "responsible persons" personally liable for unpaid employment taxes that were withheld from employees (the trust fund portion - typically income tax withholding and the employee portion of FICA). The advantage of addressing it voluntarily is mainly about control and timing. If you wait for the IRS to pursue a TFRP assessment, it often happens at the worst possible time - when your business is already struggling. By voluntarily addressing it, you can potentially negotiate better terms and prepare financially instead of being blindsided.
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Alina Rosenthal
When I filed my late 941s, I included a letter explaining the situation and requesting an installment plan at the same time. Got approved in about 6 weeks. Saved me from having to follow up separately after they processed everything. Just make sure you're super specific about how much you can pay monthly and WHY that's all you can afford right now. I included a simple cash flow statement showing my business income and expenses to justify my proposed payment amount.
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Finnegan Gunn
•This is really smart! What did you include in your letter exactly? I'm in the same boat and want to be proactive too.
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Emily Parker
Eva, I went through almost the exact same situation with my landscaping business last year. Here's what I learned that might help you: First, yes you can absolutely be proactive - don't wait for them to send you a bill. I submitted my installment agreement request (Form 9465) about 2 weeks after filing my late 941s, and it was approved before I even received any penalty notices. A few key things that helped me: - Calculate realistic monthly payments based on your actual cash flow, not just what would pay it off fastest - Include a brief explanation of why you fell behind (cash flow issues, learning curve as new business, etc.) - Make sure you have enough set aside for your current quarterly deposits - they WILL cancel your plan if you miss ongoing payments The IRS was actually more understanding than I expected. My plan got approved for 36 months at $850/month, which was manageable for my business. The key is being honest about your financials and showing you're committed to staying current going forward. One last tip: if you qualify, consider applying online through the IRS website - it's much faster than mailing forms. Good luck, and don't stress too much. This is more common than you think!
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