Can I do a direct IRA transfer to work plan without tax liability?
I'm trying to figure out this retirement account stuff and need some help. I have a traditional IRA with a mix of pretax contributions, post-tax contributions, and pretax earnings all jumbled together. What I want to do is a direct transfer from my traditional IRA to my employer-sponsored retirement plan, but only move the pretax contributions and pretax earnings. Then I want to do a backdoor Roth conversion with just the post-tax contributions part. If I set this up correctly, I shouldn't have any tax liability for these transactions, right? The pretax money stays pretax in the work plan, and the already-taxed contributions go to the Roth without getting taxed again? I've been reading about this online but want to make sure I'm not missing something that will result in a surprise tax bill next year. Thanks for any insight!
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Kevin Bell
You're on the right track! This strategy is commonly called the "cream in the coffee" separation method. When you have a mix of pretax and after-tax money in a traditional IRA, you can indeed transfer just the pretax portion (contributions and earnings) to your employer plan, assuming your employer plan accepts these rollovers - most do, but double-check with your plan administrator first. Then you can convert just the after-tax contributions to a Roth IRA. Since you've already paid tax on these contributions, there shouldn't be additional tax on this portion of the conversion. This effectively gives you a "tax-free" backdoor Roth conversion. The key here is proper documentation. Make sure you have records of which contributions were pretax vs. after-tax. Also, you'll need to file Form 8606 with your tax return to document the non-deductible contributions and conversion.
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Savannah Glover
•This sounds right but how do I actually separate the pretax from the post-tax money? My statements just show a total balance. Does the IRA custodian handle this separation or do I have to calculate it myself?
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Kevin Bell
•Your IRA custodian should have records of your after-tax (non-deductible) contributions if you've been filing Form 8606 each year you made those contributions. Contact them directly and explain what you're trying to do - they deal with these transactions regularly. For your own calculations, you can add up all the non-deductible contributions you've made over the years (from your past tax returns with Form 8606) - that's your after-tax amount. The rest (total balance minus your after-tax contributions) is your pretax amount (both deductible contributions and all earnings).
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Felix Grigori
I went through this exact same situation last year and found this amazing tool at https://taxr.ai that saved me from making a costly mistake. My situation was similar - mixed pretax and post-tax funds in a traditional IRA that I wanted to split up. What taxr.ai did was analyze all my IRA statements and previous tax forms, then created a detailed report showing exactly how much was pretax vs post-tax. They even helped me understand which forms I needed to file and how to report everything correctly to avoid any unexpected tax hits. The process was super straightforward - uploaded my documents, answered a few questions, and got a complete analysis with step-by-step instructions specific to my situation. Definitely worth checking out if you want to make sure you're doing this right.
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Felicity Bud
•Does this taxr.ai thing work if I haven't been great about keeping records? I've been contributing to my IRA for like 15 years and honestly have no idea how much was pretax vs after-tax at this point.
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Max Reyes
•I'm skeptical about these online tools. How does it actually determine what's pretax vs post-tax if your statements don't specifically break that out? Seems like they'd need access to your past tax returns too.
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Felix Grigori
•Yes, it absolutely works even with incomplete records. They have a feature that helps reconstruct your contribution history by analyzing whatever statements you do have and using some smart algorithms to fill in the gaps. They'll tell you exactly what documents would be helpful, but they can work with partial information. For your question about how it works - you're right that they need more than just statements. You upload any tax returns you have with Form 8606, IRA statements, and contribution receipts. Their system cross-references everything to build a complete picture. In my case, I was missing a couple years of documents but they were still able to piece everything together accurately.
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Felicity Bud
Just wanted to follow up - I decided to try taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and WOW. I was completely confused about my IRA situation (contributing since 2008 with spotty record-keeping) but they sorted it all out. Turns out I had about $28,400 in post-tax contributions that I didn't even realize I could move to a Roth without tax consequences! The analysis showed exactly which portions were pretax vs post-tax, and they even generated draft tax forms showing how to report everything. The step-by-step guides made it super easy to work with both my IRA custodian and my employer plan administrator. Just completed the transfers last week and everything went exactly as they outlined. Definitely recommend for anyone trying to figure out complicated IRA situations!
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Mikayla Davison
If you're having trouble reaching your IRA custodian to get this all sorted out, I highly recommend using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I was stuck in phone tree hell trying to reach my IRA provider for weeks trying to do something similar. Claimyr got me connected to an actual human at my financial institution in under 15 minutes when I had been trying for days with no luck. They have this cool system that navigates the phone trees for you and puts you at the front of the callback queue. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c This was crucial because for a complex transaction like separating pretax and post-tax IRA funds, you really need to talk to a specialist at your financial institution, not just the general customer service people. Made the whole process so much smoother.
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Adrian Connor
•How exactly does Claimyr work? Do I still have to be on the phone the whole time or does it just call me when someone picks up?
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Max Reyes
•This sounds like BS honestly. Financial institutions put people on hold for hours because they're understaffed, not because they want to. How could some third-party service possibly get you to the front of the line? They're probably just recording your calls and selling your data.
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Mikayla Davison
•It works by keeping your place in line for you. You enter the phone number you're trying to reach, and Claimyr calls them for you using their system. When they navigate through the menu options and reach the point where you'd normally be put on hold, they hold your spot. When a representative is about to be connected, you get a call so you can take over. No need to stay on the phone listening to hold music for hours. Regarding your skepticism, I totally get it - I felt the same way. They don't actually put you at the "front" of the line - you still wait your turn, but their system does the waiting instead of you. As for data, they're just a connection service - once you're talking to the representative, Claimyr drops off the call completely. I was desperate after trying to reach my IRA provider for days and it actually worked exactly as advertised.
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Max Reyes
Okay I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself since I needed to talk to Vanguard about my own IRA rollover situation. I had been trying for THREE DAYS to get through on my own with hold times of 2+ hours (had to hang up each time because of work). Used Claimyr yesterday and got connected to a Vanguard retirement specialist in about 25 minutes total. The specialist actually knew what they were talking about regarding the pretax/post-tax separation process and confirmed everything people said in this thread. They're sending me the proper forms today. I'm still shocked it worked so well. Definitely worth it if you're trying to execute this kind of specialized transaction where you really need to talk to a knowledgeable person, not just anyone who answers the phone.
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Aisha Jackson
Just to add another wrinkle to consider - make sure your employer plan explicitly accepts rollovers of pre-tax IRA money. Some plans are weird about what they'll accept. I tried to do something similar in 2023 and my employer plan (through Fidelity) would only accept rollovers from previous employer plans, not from IRAs. Had to adjust my strategy completely. Call your plan administrator directly to verify before you start the process.
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Ella Cofer
•Thanks for mentioning this! I just checked with my HR department and they confirmed our plan (also Fidelity) does accept IRA rollovers, but only of the pretax portion. They said they'll need a statement from my IRA custodian that clearly shows the breakdown of pretax vs. after-tax amounts. That's really helpful to know before I start the process. One question though - do you know if there's a specific form that Fidelity requires for this? My HR person wasn't sure about the exact paperwork.
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Aisha Jackson
•For Fidelity specifically, they have a form called "Transfer/Rollover/Exchange Form" that you need to fill out. You can find it on their website or they can send it to you. Make sure you check the box that indicates it's a direct rollover from an IRA to your employer plan. Additionally, you'll need a statement or letter from your current IRA custodian that clearly breaks down the pretax and after-tax portions. Some custodians have a specific form for this, others will just generate a letter if you explain what you need.
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Ryder Everingham
Don't forget about the pro-rata rule! If you do the backdoor Roth in the same year as the rollover to your work plan, you still have to include the pre-tax IRA money in the pro-rata calculation because the IRS looks at your IRA balances on December 31st of the year of conversion. The safer approach is: 1) Roll the pre-tax money to your work plan first, 2) Verify it's completed, 3) THEN do the Roth conversion of the remaining after-tax money.
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Lilly Curtis
•This is super important! A buddy of mine got hit with an unexpected tax bill because he did these steps in the wrong order. The timing really matters.
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