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Laila Prince

Can I claim qualified performing artist status for meal deductions as a touring musician?

So I just wrapped up my taxes for 2023 and hit a frustrating roadblock. As a touring drummer, I earned money two different ways last year: some venues paid me with W-2s and others with 1099s. I was counting on deducting all my meal expenses from being on the road since they ate up almost 40% of what I made (no pun intended lol). But apparently I don't qualify as a "qualified performing artist" according to the IRS? I'm really confused because playing drums professionally on tour seems exactly like what a "performing artist" would be doing. The tax software I'm using is giving me conflicting information and I'm worried I'm leaving money on the table. Does anyone know the actual requirements for qualified performing artist status? And if I don't qualify, is there any other way I can deduct those massive food expenses from being on tour all year? Between gas, hotels, and food, I barely broke even on some of these gigs.

Isabel Vega

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The qualified performing artist (QPA) status is actually pretty restrictive! To qualify, you need to meet ALL of these requirements: 1. You performed services in the performing arts for at least two employers during the tax year 2. You received at least $200 from each of at least two employers 3. Your related performing arts business expenses were more than 10% of your gross income from performing arts 4. Most importantly (and this is where most people get disqualified): Your adjusted gross income (AGI) cannot exceed $16,000 before deducting these expenses That last requirement is the killer for most working musicians. If your total AGI from all sources was over $16,000 in 2023, you unfortunately don't qualify as a QPA. That said, for your 1099 income, you can still deduct business expenses (including a portion of your meals) on Schedule C. The current deduction for business meals is 50% in most cases. But the W-2 income expenses would only be deductible if you qualified as a QPA.

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Laila Prince

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Thanks for laying that out so clearly. Yeah, my income was definitely over $16,000 so that explains why I don't qualify. That $16,000 cap seems ridiculously low for professional musicians in 2023! So just to be clear - I can deduct 50% of the meal expenses for gigs where I got 1099s, but I'm completely out of luck for the W-2 gigs? Even though it's literally the same work just with different payment methods?

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Isabel Vega

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That's exactly right. For the 1099 income, you're considered self-employed, so you can deduct your ordinary and necessary business expenses on Schedule C, including 50% of qualifying meal expenses. For the W-2 income, those expenses would normally be considered unreimbursed employee expenses, which are no longer deductible for most employees after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. The exception would be if you qualified as a QPA, which would allow you to deduct those expenses as an adjustment to income. But as you noted, the $16,000 threshold hasn't been updated since the 1980s, which is why many performing artists no longer qualify.

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Marilyn Dixon

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Did you have to resubmit your taxes from previous years after getting them to change your status? Sounds risky to me. Wouldn't the IRS see that as suspicious if you suddenly change how your income is classified?

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I didn't have to amend previous years' returns - I just worked with venues to correctly classify future gigs. It's not about changing classifications arbitrarily, but making sure they accurately reflect the working relationship. Many venues default to W-2s without considering whether the musician is actually an employee or independent contractor. The difference from a regular accountant is they specifically analyze all your documentation and find patterns most accountants miss. My regular accountant was also telling me "tough luck" until I showed him the analysis from taxr.ai that pointed out specific factors in my working relationships that supported independent contractor status. He actually ended up agreeing with their assessment after reviewing it.

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Harold Oh

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you have your own LLC for your music work, you might have additional options. I formed an LLC a few years ago, and now I have venues pay my LLC rather than me personally. This doesn't magically make W-2 work into 1099 work, but it does give you a cleaner business structure that can make it easier to properly allocate expenses. Plus, if you elect S-corp taxation, there can be some tax advantages. Not saying this will solve your immediate problem, but it's something to consider for the future. I'm not a tax professional though, so definitely get proper advice before setting anything up.

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Laila Prince

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I've thought about creating an LLC actually! But I'm confused about how that would work with both W-2 and 1099 income. Don't W-2s have to be issued to an individual rather than a business? And would having an LLC actually help with the meal deduction issue?

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Harold Oh

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You're right that W-2s must be issued to individuals, not businesses. The LLC would only help with your 1099 income. When you have an LLC, venues can pay your business directly for your services. The LLC itself wouldn't directly solve the meal deduction issue for W-2 income. However, if you structure your business properly and market yourself primarily as an independent contractor through your LLC, you might find that more venues are willing to work with you on a 1099 basis rather than W-2. This shift could eventually help you claim more business expense deductions.

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Amun-Ra Azra

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I'm genuinely curious why the $16,000 limit for QPA hasn't been adjusted for inflation. If it was set in the 1980s, that would be equivalent to around $45,000-50,000 today. Seems like the government has just let this deduction become useless for most actual performing artists.

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Summer Green

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It's because performing artists don't have a strong enough lobby in Washington. For comparison, look at how much the estate tax exemption has increased over the years - that benefits wealthy individuals who have substantial political influence.

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Miguel Castro

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The $16,000 AGI limit is indeed frustratingly outdated. It was established in 1986 and hasn't been adjusted since - that's nearly 40 years without any inflation adjustment! In today's dollars, that $16,000 would be worth about $44,000. The practical reality is that very few professional performing artists can survive on less than $16,000 annually, which makes this deduction almost useless for the people it was intended to help. Meanwhile, the standard deduction has increased regularly, and many other tax provisions get annual inflation adjustments. There have been some proposals in Congress over the years to either increase the limit or eliminate it entirely for QPA status, but they haven't gained enough traction. The performing arts community would benefit from more organized advocacy on this issue, as it affects thousands of working musicians, actors, and other performers who are caught in this outdated income trap. Until then, your best bet is exactly what others have suggested - maximize your legitimate Schedule C deductions for 1099 income and work with venues when possible to ensure proper worker classification based on the actual nature of your working relationship.

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Sienna Gomez

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This is such valuable context, thank you! It's mind-blowing that a tax provision specifically designed to help working artists has been left to wither away for 40 years. $44,000 in today's money makes SO much more sense as a threshold. I'm curious - do you know if there are any current bills in Congress addressing this? It seems like with the gig economy exploding and more people doing freelance creative work, this would affect way more people now than it did in 1986. Maybe it's time for performing artists to band together and push for an update to this ridiculously outdated limit. In the meantime, I'll definitely focus on maximizing my Schedule C deductions for the 1099 work. At least that's something concrete I can do while we wait for Congress to catch up to reality!

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