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Can I claim Tax Trader Status (TTS) and Section 475 with my Florida single member LLC or need S-Corp?

Hey tax people, I'm getting seriously confused about the best structure for my day trading business. Currently, I have a single member LLC that I set up in Florida last year, and I'm trying to figure out if I can claim Tax Trader Status (TTS) and make the Section 475 mark-to-market election through this existing entity. My accountant mentioned something about needing to convert to an S-Corp to get these tax benefits, but I've been reading conflicting info online. Some people say a single member LLC is totally fine for TTS and Section 475, others insist on the S-Corp route. I'm trading full-time now (about 200+ trades per month), and the tax advantages of TTS and Section 475 would be huge for me, especially with the ability to deduct all my trading expenses and the mark-to-market accounting. But I don't want to go through the hassle of converting to an S-Corp if my LLC will work just fine. Does anyone know definitively if a single member LLC can make these elections? Or is an S-Corp really necessary? Thanks in advance for any guidance!

Reina Salazar

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You absolutely can use a single member LLC to claim trader tax status (TTS) and make the Section 475 mark-to-market election. The entity type isn't what determines TTS eligibility - it's your trading activity and patterns. For TTS, what matters is that you're trading substantially, regularly, continuously, and seeking to profit from short-term market swings rather than dividends or long-term appreciation. Your 200+ trades monthly definitely puts you in good territory. As for Section 475, a single member LLC can make this election. Since single member LLCs are typically disregarded for tax purposes, you would make the election on your personal return (unless you've elected to have your LLC taxed as a corporation). The S-Corp structure does have potential advantages for traders (mainly potential FICA tax savings on a portion of income), but it's not required for TTS or Section 475 eligibility. Many successful traders operate through single member LLCs with these tax treatments.

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Thanks for the clear answer! So just to be sure, since my LLC is taxed as a disregarded entity (haven't elected corporate treatment), I would make the Section 475 election on my personal tax return? And is there a specific form I need to file for the election?

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Reina Salazar

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You're welcome! Yes, since your LLC is a disregarded entity, you would make the Section 475 election on your personal tax return. For existing taxpayers, you need to file an election statement with your prior year tax return or extension by the original due date (usually April 15). The statement should identify that you're making a Section 475(f) election for the current tax year. After making the election, you'll report your trading gains and losses on Form 4797 instead of Schedule D. Just be very careful about maintaining separate accounts for any investments you want to keep under capital gains treatment, as those must be clearly segregated from your trading activity.

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Demi Lagos

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Vera Visnjic

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Jake Sinclair

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This sounds like BS honestly. IRS agents aren't allowed to give tax advice, they just answer procedural questions. They would never tell you if you qualify for TTS because that's a facts and circumstances determination. Sounds like a waste of money to me.

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Vera Visnjic

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It absolutely works! I was connected to an agent who handled business tax matters and while they can't give "tax advice" per se, they definitely clarified the rules and pointed me to the exact publications covering Section 475 elections for single-member LLCs. I got specific guidance on filing deadlines and procedures that I couldn't find anywhere else. I understand your skepticism - I felt the same way. You're right that they won't make a determination about whether your specific trading activity qualifies for TTS, but they can and will explain the requirements and procedures for making the elections properly. For me, that procedural clarity was exactly what I needed to move forward confidently.

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Honorah King

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My tax advisor specializes in traders and told me something important you should know: if your LLC is already formed, be careful about timing of the Section 475 election. For existing taxpayers, you normally need to make the election by April 15th of the year you want it to be effective (can be with an extension filing). If you miss that deadline, you're generally stuck with capital gain/loss treatment for the year. There is a procedure for late elections with IRS consent, but it's not guaranteed. If you're looking to implement this for 2025, mark your calendar for that April deadline!

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Thanks for pointing this out! I definitely need to pay attention to that April deadline. Do you know if there are any special considerations for a trader who has both investment positions and active trading positions? I have some long-term holds I don't want to include in mark-to-market.

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Honorah King

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Great question - yes, you can absolutely maintain segregated accounts with different tax treatments. The Section 475 election can be applied to your trading business while keeping your investment positions under regular capital gains treatment. The key is maintaining clear separation between the accounts. You'll want to have dedicated accounts for your trading activity where Section 475 applies, and separate accounts for investments. This separation must be established before making the election and maintained consistently. Documentation is crucial - in case of audit, you need to clearly show which positions were investments vs trading positions. Make sure all your brokerage statements reflect this separation.

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Oliver Brown

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Something nobody mentioned yet - consider how Section 475 affects wash sale rules. One huge advantage of mark-to-market is you don't have to worry about wash sales anymore, which is awesome for active traders. BTW the tax benefits can be enormous. My trading losses last year were fully deductible against ordinary income (no $3k limit) with Section 475. Would've been stuck with a massive capital loss carryforward otherwise.

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Mary Bates

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This is actually what convinced me to make the election. The wash sale tracking was driving me absolutely insane, especially trading the same securities repeatedly. But isn't there a downside with no preferential tax rates on any gains? I'm worried about paying ordinary income rates vs long term cap gains.

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QuantumLeap

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You're absolutely right about the wash sale benefit - that alone can save massive headaches for active traders. Regarding your concern about ordinary income rates vs capital gains, you have to weigh the trade-offs based on your specific situation. Yes, all your trading gains get taxed as ordinary income under Section 475, but remember - if you qualify for TTS, you can deduct all your trading expenses above-the-line (home office, equipment, data feeds, etc.) which often aren't available to regular investors. Plus no $3k annual limit on losses like you mentioned. For most active traders, the ability to fully deduct losses in bad years, avoid wash sale complications, and claim all business expenses usually outweighs losing the preferential capital gains rates. But definitely run the numbers for your specific trading patterns and income situation before deciding.

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Caden Nguyen

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Great thread! I went through this exact decision process last year with my Florida LLC. One thing I'd add is that while everyone's focusing on the election mechanics (which are all correct), don't overlook the operational side of maintaining TTS qualification. The IRS looks at four main factors: substantial trading activity (you've got this with 200+ trades), regularity and continuity of trading, holding periods (should be short-term focused), and profit motive from price swings rather than dividends/appreciation. I kept detailed logs of my daily trading hours, market analysis time, and trading strategy notes. This documentation became invaluable when my CPA prepared my return and helped justify the TTS claim. The single member LLC structure worked perfectly - no need to convert to S-Corp just for these elections. Also consider opening a separate business checking account for all trading-related expenses if you haven't already. Makes the expense tracking much cleaner and reinforces the business nature of your trading activity.

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Ethan Brown

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This is really helpful advice about the documentation aspect! I've been focused so much on the technical requirements that I hadn't thought about keeping detailed logs of my trading activities. Do you have any recommendations on what specific details to track daily? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything the IRS would want to see if they ever question my TTS status. Also, great point about the separate business checking account - I've been mixing some of my trading expenses with personal accounts which is probably not the best practice for supporting the business nature of my activities.

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Malik Davis

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For daily documentation, I track: hours spent trading/researching (start/stop times), number of trades executed, brief notes on trading strategy or market analysis, and any business-related activities like platform research or education. I use a simple spreadsheet with date, hours, trade count, and notes columns. The key is consistency - even if it's just 2-3 lines per trading day, having months of records showing regular, substantial activity really strengthens your TTS case. I also save screenshots of my trading platforms showing active positions and research tools I'm using. Definitely get that separate business account set up! Not only does it clean up your expense tracking, but it shows the IRS you're treating this as a legitimate business operation. I run everything through it - data subscriptions, equipment, home office expenses, even mileage to trading seminars. Makes tax prep so much easier and supports the business classification.

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