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Micah Franklin

Are our W4's set up correctly for a dual-income household with kids?

We're a married couple with two kids (ages 7 and 2). My wife brings in about $78k base salary while I'm at $65k base. The twist is that I also get monthly commission checks that can vary quite a bit. With our income situation being a bit uneven, I'm wondering if we need to adjust our W4 forms? Currently we both just claim "married filing jointly" with our dependents listed, but I'm concerned we might be withholding too little (or too much). Is there anything specific we should change on our W4s to make sure we're not surprised at tax time? Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Ella Harper

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This is a great question about W4 setup! The 2020 redesigned W4 form eliminated the old "allowances" system, which makes it more straightforward but also requires some thought for your specific situation. For married couples with two incomes, you'll want to pay special attention to Step 2 of the W4 form. You have three options there: (a) use the IRS's tax withholding estimator online, (b) use the Multiple Jobs Worksheet, or (c) simply check the box for "two jobs total." Given that one of you has variable commission income, option (a) using the IRS withholding estimator at irs.gov/W4app would be your best bet. It allows you to input your expected commission and gives the most accurate recommendation. You'd need to revisit it every few months as your commission changes. Don't forget to complete Step 3 for your child tax credits - you've got two kids under 17, which means a significant credit. But be careful - only complete this step on ONE of your W4 forms (usually the higher earner's), not both, or you'll under-withhold.

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PrinceJoe

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Thanks for the detailed response! Just to clarify - if we use the IRS estimator, do both my wife and I need to submit new W4s to our employers? Or just the person with the commission income? Also, would it be better to claim both kids on my wife's W4 since her income is more stable?

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Ella Harper

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Both of you should submit updated W4s based on the estimator's recommendations. The estimator will actually tell you exactly what to put on each person's form - it's designed to split the withholding appropriately between both jobs. For the children, yes, it's typically better to claim them on the higher or more stable income earner's W4. In your case, your wife's form would be the place to list the child tax credits in Step 3. The reason is that withholding is calculated per paycheck, and a more stable income leads to more consistent and accurate withholding.

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I'm curious - does the tool actually give you specific instructions for each line on the W4? We're in a similar situation but my employer uses an online system for W4 updates and I get confused about where to put the additional withholding amounts.

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Brady Clean

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Don't overlook the importance of revisiting your W4s whenever you have major life changes. We were in a similar situation (two kids, uneven incomes) and thought we had it figured out, but then I got a significant promotion mid-year that pushed us into a different tax bracket. We ended up owing $3,400 at tax time! Now we review our withholding quarterly, especially after any commission bumps. For the commission income specifically, one approach is to estimate your annual commission and divide by your pay periods to add as "extra withholding" on line 4(c). It's a bit conservative but prevents surprises. Just remember that if you do this, you're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan until refund time.

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Thanks for bringing up the point about life changes. We're actually expecting some changes this year - possibly a job shift for me with different commission structure. Should we just redo the W4 calculation as soon as that happens? And is there a rule of thumb for how much extra to withhold for variable income like commission?

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Brady Clean

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Yes, definitely redo your W4s as soon as your job/commission structure changes. Even a few months with incorrect withholding can create a significant tax bill. For commission income, a general rule of thumb is to withhold at least 25-30% of each commission check if you're in the 22% federal bracket (which is likely with your household income). This accounts for both federal and state taxes. If you don't want to constantly update your W4, another approach is to set an additional withholding amount that's roughly 25% of your expected monthly commission. For example, if you average $2,000/month in commission, adding $500 extra withholding on line 4(c) would be a safe approach.

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Skylar Neal

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Has anyone tried the "two jobs" checkbox in Step 2 of the W4? My husband and I both work and I was thinking that might be easier than trying to calculate everything precisely. Would that work for a situation with commission income too?

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I tried the checkbox approach last year and it overwithhheld by quite a bit. We got a $4800 refund which was nice but meant our paychecks were smaller all year. The checkbox basically assumes both jobs make about the same amount, so if there's a big difference in your incomes, it might not be the best option.

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Ella Harper

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The "two jobs" checkbox is designed primarily for couples where both jobs have relatively similar pay. It uses a standard calculation that essentially doubles the withholding rate on both paychecks to account for the combined income pushing you into higher tax brackets. With commission income involved, the checkbox method isn't ideal because it doesn't account for the variability. It would likely result in significant overwithholding during months when commissions are low, and potentially underwithholding when commissions are high. For your situation, either the withholding estimator or the more detailed multiple jobs worksheet would give you more accurate results. If you want something simple but more tailored than the checkbox, you could use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator once to get a baseline additional withholding amount, then add that to line 4(c) of your W4.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of considering state taxes in your W4 calculations, especially if you live in a high-tax state. The federal W4 estimator is great for federal withholding, but don't forget that commission income can also bump you into higher state tax brackets. In our case (similar situation - dual income with variable bonuses), we found that we needed to increase our state withholding too. Some states have their own withholding calculators, but if yours doesn't, a good rule of thumb is to add your state's top marginal rate as additional withholding on commission income. Also, since you mentioned your commission varies "quite a bit," consider doing a mid-year check-up around July or August. Run the numbers again with your actual year-to-date income and commission, then adjust if needed. This prevents end-of-year surprises and is especially important in years when your commission pattern changes significantly from what you initially estimated.

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