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Married filing jointly - husband makes almost double wife's income, how to handle W-4s?

I need some guidance on how our W-4s should be filled out for 2025. My income is quite a bit higher than my wife's and we want to make sure we're doing this correctly. I'm projected to earn about $145,000 this year at my job as a business analyst. My wife works as a teacher and makes around $78,000. We both only have one job each. The main question I have is whether we should select "married filing jointly" or "married filing separately" on our W-4 forms? I've heard conflicting things about which is better when there's a significant income difference between spouses. We've been married for 3 years but this is the first time our income gap has been this large due to my recent promotion. I don't want us to end up owing a bunch at tax time, but I also don't want to have too much withheld if it's not necessary. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Based on what you've shared, married filing jointly would likely be the better option for your situation. With your combined income and being in only one job each, MFJ typically provides better tax benefits than filing separately. When filling out your W-4 forms, you'll want to select the "Married filing jointly" option on both of your forms. The W-4 form has a special section (Step 2) for couples where both spouses work, but since there's a significant difference between your incomes, you might want to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online to get more precise withholding recommendations. The income gap between you ($145k) and your wife ($78k) doesn't necessarily create any special issues for filing jointly. In fact, MFJ status often benefits couples with disparate incomes since it can help bring the higher earner into a lower marginal tax bracket.

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I'm in a similar situation but my spouse makes a LOT less than me (like $30k vs my $120k). I checked both ways last year on TurboTax and filing jointly saved us like $3k in taxes. Is there ever a situation where filing separately would be better with income disparity?

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Filing jointly is typically more beneficial in most cases, especially with income disparities. However, there are specific situations where filing separately might be better. If one spouse has significant income-based deductions (like medical expenses that must exceed a percentage of AGI), has income-based student loan payments, or if there are concerns about tax liability from one spouse. For most couples in your situation with just W-2 income and standard deductions, joint filing almost always results in lower overall taxes. The tax brackets for MFS are narrower than MFJ, which usually means more of your income gets taxed at higher rates when filing separately.

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Just wanted to mention that the IRS has their own Tax Withholding Estimator on their website that's actually pretty good for figuring out W-4s in situations like yours. My husband and I have a similar income gap (I make $130k, he makes $75k) and we used it last year with good results. It asks detailed questions about both incomes, your filing status, dependents, etc. and then gives specific recommendations for both W-4 forms. We ended up with a small refund of about $400 which was perfect.

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I tried using that IRS estimator but got totally confused when it asked about pay periods and YTD income. Do you just use your latest paystub info for that? And did you select the two-earners checkbox on both of your W-4s or just one?

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Yes, you use your most recent paystubs to find the YTD income and withholding information. For pay periods, you'll count how many more paychecks you expect to receive for the rest of the year (for example, if you're paid biweekly, and it's July, you'd have about 12 more pay periods remaining in the year). For the two-earners checkbox, we actually didn't check that box on either form. Instead, we followed the more precise recommendation from the estimator which had us add a specific additional withholding amount on my form (the higher earner). This tends to be more accurate than the checkbox method, which sometimes overwitholds. The estimator should tell you exactly which approach will work best for your specific situation.

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Why is everyone making this so complicated? Just check "Married Filing Jointly" on both W-4s and be done with it. If you're worried about underwithholding, just put an extra $100 per paycheck in the additional withholding line on the higher income spouse's W-4. That's what my wife and I do (I make $150k, she makes $65k) and we always get a small refund.

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This is terrible advice. Just putting some random amount like $100 per paycheck could result in massive overwithholding or underwithholding depending on your specific situation. The W-4 is designed to be precise if you fill it out correctly.

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It's not "terrible advice" - it's practical advice that works for many people. I've been doing taxes for 20 years and found that most withholding calculators are overly complicated for simple situations like this. For a couple with just W-2 income and standard deductions, adding a flat additional amount on the higher earner's withholding is a straightforward approach that works well. The key is adjusting that amount based on your results the previous year. If you got too big a refund, reduce it. If you owed too much, increase it. Not everyone needs a complicated tax simulator to get reasonable results.

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As someone who went through this exact situation last year, I'd recommend using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator first before making any changes. My husband makes $140k and I make $82k, so very similar to your situation. What we learned is that the "married filing jointly" checkbox on both W-4s can actually cause overwithholding when both spouses work, because each employer's payroll system assumes it's withholding for your entire tax liability when it's really only responsible for a portion. The estimator told us to select "married filing jointly" on both forms but to add $75 per paycheck in additional withholding on my husband's W-4 (the higher earner) and $0 additional on mine. This ended up being perfect - we owed about $50 at tax time. The income gap itself isn't really the issue - it's more about making sure the total withholding from both jobs covers your combined tax liability correctly. Don't stress too much about it though - you can always adjust your W-4s mid-year if needed once you see how your first few paychecks look.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you say you owed about $50 at tax time, was that your goal or were you aiming to break even completely? I'm always torn between wanting to avoid owing anything vs not wanting to give the government an interest-free loan with a big refund. Also, did you find the IRS estimator easy to use? I've heard mixed things about how user-friendly it is.

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