Should we change our W4s for the upcoming tax year?
Hey everyone, my husband and I are trying to figure out if we should adjust our W4s for this year. We both work full-time and have been claiming "Married filing jointly" with no additional withholding. After filing our 2024 taxes, we ended up owing about $3,200 which was a total shock! We both make around $75k each, and we have a rental property that brings in about $1,800 monthly. No kids or other dependents. I'm wondering if we should switch to "Married, but withhold at higher single rate" or if we should just add an additional amount on line 4(c)? I've tried using the IRS withholding calculator but honestly got confused halfway through. Has anyone been in a similar situation? What did you end up doing with your W4s?
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LongPeri
Yes, you should definitely update your W4s! When both spouses work at similar income levels, the "Married filing jointly" option often doesn't withhold enough taxes because each employer is essentially assuming they're the only income source for a married couple. This is a super common issue. You have two good options: either both switch to "Married, but withhold at higher single rate" on your W4s (which is the easier option), or keep "Married filing jointly" but complete Step 2 of the W4 form and check the box in 2(c). The second option requires more math but might be more accurate. If you have rental income that isn't being taxed through withholding, you might also want to consider making quarterly estimated tax payments or increasing withholding to cover that additional income too.
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Oscar O'Neil
•Would it be better for just one spouse to switch to the higher withholding rate, or should both do it? And what about that rental income - how do you even calculate how much extra to withhold for that?
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LongPeri
•Both spouses should make the change to ensure proper withholding. If only one person switches, you might still end up underwithholding overall. The IRS withholding calculator can help with the exact amounts even though it's confusing - push through it if you can! For rental income, the simplest approach is to estimate your annual tax liability from the rental (your profit multiplied by your tax bracket percentage) and then divide by the number of paychecks remaining in the year. You can add this amount on line 4(c) of your W4. Alternatively, you can make quarterly estimated tax payments using Form 1040-ES.
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Sara Hellquiem
I went through the same issue last year and discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) when I was struggling with my withholding calculations. I was so frustrated trying to figure out the right withholding after getting hit with a huge tax bill. The tool analyzed our W4s and pay stubs and showed us exactly what to change to avoid owing next year. It even helped figure out how to account for our side business income, which was the part that was really tripping us up.
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Charlee Coleman
•Does it actually work with multiple income sources? My wife and I both have our regular jobs but I also do some freelance work on the side. The calculator on the IRS website never seems to get it right for us.
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Liv Park
•I'm a bit skeptical about these tax tools. How does it differ from the free IRS withholding calculator? I've tried several "solutions" and they all seem to give different answers.
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Sara Hellquiem
•It absolutely works with multiple income sources - that's actually where it shines compared to the basic calculators. You can input all your income streams and it calculates the right withholding adjustments taking everything into account together. For those wondering about differences from the IRS calculator, the main advantage is that it explains everything in plain English and gives you specific instructions for each employer's W4. It also helps track changes throughout the year, so if you get a raise or change in income, you can update without starting over. The IRS calculator is good but it doesn't provide the same level of guidance on actually implementing the changes.
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Liv Park
Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after my skeptical comment and it was actually really helpful! I've been doing our taxes wrong for 3 years apparently. The tool showed us that we've been massively underwithholding because both our employers were calculating as if their salary was our only household income. We were able to fix our W4s in about 15 minutes and it calculated exactly how much additional withholding we needed to add to each paycheck. Wish I'd known about this sooner!
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Leeann Blackstein
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Ryder Greene
•Wait I'm confused, how does this even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously awful. How can another service somehow get you through faster?
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Carmella Fromis
•Yeah right. There's no way this actually works. I've called the IRS dozens of times and it's always the same result - waiting for hours only to be told to call back later. Sounds like a scam to me.
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Leeann Blackstein
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Carmella Fromis
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Theodore Nelson
We had this same issue! What we ended up doing was checking the box in Step 2(c) on both our W4s and then also adding an extra $175 per paycheck on line 4(c). Been working great for us for the past two years and we actually got a small refund this time instead of owing thousands. Don't forget that rental income - that's probably a big part of why you're underwithholding.
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AaliyahAli
•Do you both make about the same amount of money? I'm wondering if this would work for us too but my wife makes about twice what I make.
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Theodore Nelson
•Yes, we make fairly similar amounts - I'm at $82k and my wife is at $88k, so pretty close. When there's a big disparity in incomes like in your situation, you might need to use the multiple jobs worksheet on the W4 for more accurate withholding. For significantly different incomes, I'd recommend the higher earner complete steps 2-4 on their W4 while the lower earner just does step 1 and signs. This approach tends to work better than both spouses checking the box when there's a big income difference.
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Ellie Simpson
Has anyone noticed that the new W4 is actually way more confusing than the old one with allowances? I miss just being able to put "0" allowances for maximum withholding. Now I have no idea if I'm doing this right.
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Arjun Kurti
•The new form is definitely more complicated but actually more accurate. With the old W4, I would claim 0 allowances and still end up owing. Try using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online - it walks you through step by step what to put on each line of the new W4. That's what finally fixed our withholding issues.
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Ellie Simpson
•Thanks, I'll check out that estimator. I just wish they'd make these forms more user-friendly. I have a business degree and still find tax forms completely baffling sometimes!
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Raúl Mora
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're close to the end of the year, adjusting your W4 might not make enough difference for this year's taxes. We realized this in October last year and had to make a large estimated tax payment (Form 1040-ES) in January to avoid penalties. Don't wait too long to make your adjustments!
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Diego Chavez
I was in almost the exact same situation last year - dual income household around $150k combined, rental property, and got hit with a $2,800 tax bill that we weren't expecting. What worked for us was having both of us switch to "Married, but withhold at higher single rate" on our W4s. The rental income was the real kicker though. We calculated roughly 22% of our annual rental profit ($1,800 x 12 months minus expenses) and divided that by the number of paychecks remaining in the year, then added that amount to line 4(c) on one of our W4s. It took some trial and error but we ended up with a small refund this year instead of owing. The key is not to overthink it - start with the "married but withhold at single rate" change for both of you, then add extra withholding for the rental income. You can always adjust mid-year if needed.
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