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Are Traditional IRA deductions the full amount I contribute or just a partial reduction?

So I'm trying to figure out this whole Traditional IRA thing before tax deadline. If I currently owe around $2,600 for my 2023 taxes and decide to open and contribute $2,600 to a traditional IRA before the deadline, would that completely wipe out what I owe to the IRS? I've been reading through the IRS guidance on IRA deduction limits and I'm still a bit confused. My situation is that my husband has a 401k at his job, but I don't have any retirement plan through my work. Our combined income is around $190,000. Based on what I understand, since I'm not covered by a workplace plan but my spouse is, and we make under $228,000, I should be able to fully deduct whatever I contribute to the traditional IRA, right? So if I put in $2,600, that reduces my taxable income by $2,600, which would essentially eliminate my tax bill dollar for dollar up to the contribution limit? Just want to make absolutely sure before I move forward with this... Thanks in advance for any help!

You're a bit confused about how tax deductions work. Traditional IRA contributions don't directly reduce your tax bill dollar-for-dollar - they reduce your taxable income. When you contribute $2,600 to a Traditional IRA, that amount gets subtracted from your income before calculating your taxes. So if your marginal tax rate is 22%, a $2,600 contribution would save you about $572 in taxes (22% of $2,600), not the full $2,600. Your understanding about eligibility is correct though! Since you're not covered by a workplace plan but your spouse is, and your combined income is under the limit ($228,000 for 2023), you can deduct your full Traditional IRA contribution up to the annual limit ($6,500 for 2023, or $7,500 if you're 50 or older).

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Nia Williams

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Wait so if OP contributes $6,500 (the max for 2023), would that basically reduce their income by $6,500 and their tax bill by whatever their marginal tax rate is for that $6,500? Like if they're in the 24% bracket, they'd save $1,560?

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That's exactly right! If someone contributes $6,500 to a Traditional IRA and they're in the 24% marginal tax bracket, they would save approximately $1,560 on their taxes (24% of $6,500). The deduction reduces the amount of income that gets taxed, not the tax itself directly. That's why it's called a "tax deduction" rather than a "tax credit" - credits directly reduce your tax bill dollar-for-dollar, while deductions reduce the income that gets taxed.

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Zoe Papadakis

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Just to add a bit more clarification because I think people get confused about the tax brackets too. When you reduce your taxable income with a Traditional IRA contribution, you're saving at your MARGINAL tax rate - the highest rate you pay. Example: If you're married filing jointly with taxable income of $190k (like OP), you're in the 24% bracket for 2023. Contributing $6,000 to a Traditional IRA would save you approximately $1,440 in federal taxes (24% of $6,000). It's still a great deal since you're getting an immediate tax benefit PLUS tax-deferred growth over time. Just don't expect it to reduce your tax bill by the full contribution amount.

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ThunderBolt7

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So if I'm in a lower tax bracket now but expect to be in a higher one when I retire, should I do Roth instead? I'm trying to figure out which type of IRA makes more sense for my situation.

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Zoe Papadakis

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That's a great question and you've hit on one of the key considerations. If you expect to be in a higher tax bracket in retirement, a Roth IRA might make more sense because you pay taxes now at your lower rate, and then withdrawals are tax-free in retirement. Conversely, if you expect to be in a lower tax bracket in retirement, a Traditional IRA might be better since you get the tax deduction now at your higher rate, then pay taxes at your lower retirement rate when you withdraw. It's also worth considering that tax laws change over time, so having some money in both types of accounts (called "tax diversification") can be a prudent strategy.

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Jamal Edwards

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One thing nobody's mentioned - don't forget about state taxes! Your traditional IRA contribution usually reduces your state taxable income too, not just federal. So if your state tax rate is like 5%, that's additional savings on top of the federal tax reduction. I contribute the max to my traditional IRA every year for this reason - between federal and state tax savings, it's a no-brainer. Just remember that you'll eventually pay taxes when you withdraw in retirement, but hopefully at a lower rate.

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Mei Chen

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Not all states treat IRA deductions the same way as the federal government though. Some states don't allow all deductions that the feds do.

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