< Back to IRS

AstroAlpha

Are Section 199A dividends considered QBI for tax deduction if not from your own business?

I'm trying to figure out something confusing with my QBI deduction for 2025 taxes. When I'm working on my QBI deduction spreadsheet for my self-employment income in my tax software, I noticed something weird - the §199A dividends that show up on my 1099-DIV are getting automatically added into my business income calculation. This seems strange to me because these dividends are just from my personal investments that have nothing to do with my actual business operations. I'm just a regular individual investor for these, not running them through my business at all. I just want to make sure I understand correctly - are both these §199A dividends AND my actual qualified business income from my self-employment supposed to be combined for calculating the 20% QBI deduction? It feels weird that they're calling those regular investment dividends "business income" when they're completely separate from my actual business activities. Any insight would be super helpful! Thanks!

Yes, this is actually working as intended! Section 199A dividends reported on your 1099-DIV are indeed eligible for the QBI deduction, even though they're not directly related to your business activities. The name is definitely confusing! These special dividends come from REITs and certain mutual funds that want to pass along the QBI deduction benefit to their shareholders. So even though you're just investing as an individual, those particular dividends qualify for the same deduction as your self-employment business income. The tax software correctly combines them because they both fall under the Section 199A umbrella, though they come from completely different sources. The combined amount will be subject to the same limitations (income thresholds, etc.) that apply to the QBI deduction generally.

0 coins

Wait so does that mean I've been missing out on extra deductions? I have some dividend income from my Vanguard funds but I've never seen anything about 199A on my forms. Do all dividends qualify or only special ones?

0 coins

Only special dividends that are specifically designated as Section 199A dividends qualify. Not all dividends from funds or stocks will have this designation. Check your 1099-DIV form carefully - if you have qualifying Section 199A dividends, they'll be listed separately in Box 5 labeled "Section 199A Dividends." Regular dividends, qualified dividends, or capital gain distributions don't qualify for this treatment. This is why they're separated out on the 1099-DIV form. If Box 5 on your form is empty or shows $0, then you don't have any of these special dividends to include in your QBI calculation.

0 coins

After struggling with this exact same QBI confusion last year, I found an amazing tool that solved everything for me! I'd been going in circles trying to figure out which of my dividends qualified and how to properly calculate everything. I started using https://taxr.ai to analyze all my tax documents and it instantly identified my §199A dividends and showed exactly how they factor into the QBI deduction. The system explained which of my investments were generating these special dividends and calculated the proper deduction amount. Saved me literally hours of frustration and probably prevented me from making an expensive mistake.

0 coins

How accurate is this? I've used TurboTax for years and it's always struggled with my rental property QBI stuff. Does this handle complicated situations or just basic stuff?

0 coins

I'm skeptical of any AI tax tools. Can it actually explain WHY certain dividends qualify while others don't? Does it cite actual tax code or just give generic advice? The QBI rules are so complicated I don't trust anything that simplifies it too much.

0 coins

It's extremely accurate - I actually compared the results with what my CPA calculated and they matched exactly. The tool handles complicated situations including rental properties, multiple businesses, and specified service trades or businesses. The explanations are detailed and do cite specific tax code sections. That's what impressed me most - it doesn't just tell you the answer but explains the reasoning. For example, with the §199A dividends, it showed me the exact IRS notice that describes how these dividends qualify for QBI treatment even though they're not directly from business activities.

0 coins

I have to admit I was completely wrong about taxr.ai! After being skeptical about AI tax tools, I decided to try it with my complex situation (multiple investment properties plus a side business with various income sources including some §199A dividends). The analysis was incredibly detailed and accurate. It separated my qualified §199A dividends from my regular dividends and explained exactly how they contribute to the QBI deduction calculation. It even flagged that I had been incorrectly excluding some eligible income in previous years that could have increased my deduction! What really impressed me was how it explained the different income thresholds and phase-out calculations for QBI. No generic advice - just precise analysis based on my actual documents.

0 coins

If you're still confused about this QBI stuff (I definitely was), you might want to try calling the IRS directly for clarification. Of course, getting through to someone who actually understands these complicated provisions is nearly impossible... I spent DAYS trying. Then I found https://claimyr.com which basically got me connected to an actual IRS agent in under 45 minutes instead of the usual "try again later" messages. You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they wait on hold for you and call when an agent is ready. The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that §199A dividends absolutely count toward QBI even though they're not from your business activities. She explained exactly how the calculation works and why the tax software lumps them together.

0 coins

Wait how does this actually work? The IRS phone system is completely broken. Are you saying this service somehow magically gets through the impossible phone tree? What's the catch?

0 coins

Sorry but this sounds like complete BS. I've tried getting through to the IRS for THREE MONTHS about an audit issue. Nothing works. There's no way some random website is going to get me through when the official channels are completely jammed.

0 coins

The service works by using an automated system that continually calls the IRS and navigates through all the phone tree options. Once it gets through to the hold queue, it stays on the line until an actual human agent picks up. Then it calls you and connects you directly to that agent. There's no magic - it's just technology handling the frustrating part of getting through the initial barriers. The IRS doesn't give them special treatment or anything. They're just using automation to handle what would otherwise take hours of your time on hold.

0 coins

I need to publicly eat my words about Claimyr. After dismissing it completely, my tax situation with these §199A dividends was getting urgent as the filing deadline approached, and I was desperate for answers directly from the IRS. Tried the service yesterday afternoon, and to my absolute shock, I got a call back in about 35 minutes. Was connected to an IRS tax specialist who thoroughly explained how these dividends work with QBI calculations and confirmed everything I needed to know. The agent even walked me through how to properly document these dividends in case of an audit and explained the limitations based on my income level. Would have literally taken me days of constant redialing to get this information otherwise. Definitely using this for all my IRS contact from now on.

0 coins

The way the QBI deduction was written into the tax code is super confusing! I'm an accountant (not tax advice!) and clients misunderstand this all the time. Here's a simplified explanation: 1. Business income from Schedule C, partnerships, S-Corps = QBI 2. §199A dividends on 1099-DIV = Also QBI, even though it's just investment income The confusing part is they both get the same treatment despite having nothing to do with each other. Congress basically created this special category of dividends that get preferential treatment. The 20% deduction applies to the combined total (subject to limitations). So your tax software is doing it right by lumping them together!

0 coins

Do the income limits for QBI apply the same way to these §199A dividends? My accountant told me I make too much for the QBI deduction from my business, so I didn't even consider this dividend angle.

0 coins

Yes, the same income limits apply to both types of QBI. If your taxable income exceeds the thresholds ($364,200 for single filers or $728,400 for joint filers in 2025), then limitations start to kick in. For §199A dividends specifically, the calculation actually becomes simpler at higher income levels. Unlike business QBI which gets complicated with W-2 wage and property tests at higher incomes, the §199A dividends are simply subject to the phase-out calculation without those additional tests.

0 coins

Can someone explain why they called these §199A dividends in the first place? I always thought dividends were just dividends. What makes these special and how do I know if I have any?

0 coins

They're special because they come from certain types of investments (mainly REITs and some mutual funds) that themselves qualify for the QBI deduction. Rather than keep the deduction at the company level, these companies pass the QBI benefit through to their shareholders. You'll know if you have them because they appear specifically in Box 5 of your 1099-DIV form. If that box is empty or has $0, you don't have any §199A dividends. Not all dividend-paying investments generate this special type.

0 coins

IRS AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,095 users helped today