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Malik Johnson

What exactly is QBI (Qualified Business Income)? New side-hustler with rookie questions

Hey everyone, I'm hoping to get some clarification on this QBI thing. I work full-time with a regular W2 job, but last year I started a side business and received 1099-NEC income. My wife and I file married filing jointly. I've been trying to understand what exactly QBI (Qualified Business Income) is, and I'm confused about how it works. Can someone confirm if my understanding is correct? 1) Is QBI deduction in business taxes similar to the $27K standard deduction we get when filing regular W2 taxes? 2) Is QBI calculated based on the total self-employed business income BEFORE any expenses are taken out? For example: If I make $135K from my side hustle (Schedule C - sole proprietorship) before any expenses, would the 20% QBI be deducted from the total $135K? Like $135K - $27K = $108K? Then would it be $108K - $7K business expenses = $101K total taxable business income? 3) If I contribute about $13K to a solo-401K as an employer, would that reduce my taxable income from $101K - $13K = $88K? Sorry if these are super basic questions, but I'm new to this self-employment tax stuff. Thanks in advance!

I can help clarify QBI deductions for you! The Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A) is actually quite different from the standard deduction. The QBI deduction allows eligible self-employed individuals and small business owners to deduct up to 20% of their qualified business income from their taxes. Here's how it works: 1) QBI is completely separate from your standard deduction. You get BOTH. Your standard deduction reduces your overall taxable income, while QBI specifically reduces the tax on your business income. 2) QBI is calculated on your NET business income (after expenses), not your gross income. So in your example, you'd first subtract all business expenses from your $135K to get your net profit, then calculate 20% of that amount. Example corrected: $135K gross income - $7K expenses = $128K net business income. Then 20% of $128K = $25.6K QBI deduction. 3) Yes, your solo 401(k) contributions as an employer would further reduce your business income before calculating QBI. So $128K - $13K = $115K net business income, and then 20% of that would be $23K QBI deduction. There are income limits and other factors that might affect your QBI deduction, especially since you mentioned you have W-2 income as well.

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Malik Johnson

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Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, I first subtract all my business expenses from my gross income to get my net business income, and THEN I calculate the 20% QBI deduction. That makes way more sense. One follow-up question - do the income limits apply to just my business income or my combined income (W2 + business)? My W2 job pays about $90K and my side hustle made around $135K last year.

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The income limits for QBI are based on your total taxable income (W-2 wages plus business income minus deductions). For 2025, the full QBI deduction begins to phase out when your total taxable income exceeds $364,200 for married filing jointly. Since your combined income before deductions is around $225K, you're well below the threshold. Just be aware that there are some special rules if your business is considered a "specified service trade or business" (like health, law, accounting, consulting, etc.). These have lower income thresholds, but based on your total income, you likely won't need to worry about this either.

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your QBI comes from a "specified service trade or business" (SSTB) and your income is above certain thresholds, your QBI deduction can be limited or eliminated entirely. SSTBs include fields like health, law, accounting, actuarial science, performing arts, consulting, athletics, financial services, and more. The limits start phasing in at $364,200 MFJ in 2025 and are completely phased out at $464,200 MFJ. From what you described, it sounds like you're under these thresholds, but it's something to keep in mind as your income grows.

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Malik Johnson

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Thanks for bringing this up! My side business is in web development/programming. Would that be considered an SSTB? I've heard conflicting things about whether tech work counts as "consulting" for QBI purposes.

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Web development/programming generally isn't classified as an SSTB as long as you're creating or modifying software/websites rather than just giving advice. The IRS has clarified that technology services involving the design, development, or creation of software or websites typically don't fall under the consulting limitation. However, if your work is primarily advising clients on what technology to use without actually implementing it, that portion could be considered consulting. Based on your description of having significant business income, it sounds like you're doing actual development work, which should qualify for the QBI deduction without the SSTB limitations.

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StarSeeker

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Don't forget that QBI gets reported on Form 8995 (simplified) or 8995-A (full) depending on your income level. I messed this up my first year and just put the deduction on Schedule C which was totally wrong!

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Also worth noting that some tax software doesn't calculate QBI correctly if you don't specifically enter your business information in the right sections. I used TurboTax last year and it missed applying my QBI deduction until I went back and made sure all my 1099 income was properly classified as business income.

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NebulaNomad

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Just wanted to add another important point about QBI that I learned the hard way - the deduction is subject to an overall limitation of 20% of your taxable income MINUS net capital gains. This usually isn't an issue for most people, but it can come into play if you have significant capital losses or other deductions that bring your taxable income way down. Also, make sure you're tracking all your business expenses carefully throughout the year. Since QBI is calculated on your net business income (after expenses), every legitimate business deduction you can take will increase your QBI deduction. Things like home office expenses, business meals (50% deductible), professional development, software subscriptions, etc. can all add up to meaningful tax savings. One more tip - if you're planning to scale up your side business, consider whether forming an S-Corp might make sense once your income gets higher. The tax implications change significantly, but it can sometimes result in overall tax savings when you factor in both QBI and self-employment tax considerations.

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