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Dmitry Sokolov

Are LLCs basically a scam for solo small business owners?

Is there any real reason to form an LLC for a one-person business? I've been researching business structures and keep seeing conflicting info about liability protection for single-member LLCs. From what I understand, if you're the only owner and you're doing the day-to-day operations yourself, the "limited liability" part barely exists in practice. Courts can easily pierce the corporate veil for single-member LLCs. And then there's the tax situation - the IRS doesn't even recognize an LLC as a separate tax entity for a single member (it's just a disregarded entity where everything passes through to your personal taxes anyway). Yet I'm expected to pay filing fees, annual fees, and extra accounting costs. It feels like accountants push LLCs to get more billable hours and states love the filing fees, but what tangible benefits do small business owners actually get? Are these single-member LLCs just an expensive fiction that provides a false sense of security?

Ava Martinez

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The LLC isn't a scam, but it's often misunderstood and oversold. You're right that for single-member LLCs, the liability protection isn't as robust as many believe. Courts can indeed "pierce the corporate veil" if you don't maintain proper separation between personal and business finances. However, an LLC can still provide some protection against certain types of liability claims. It's more effective against contractual liabilities than torts (like if you personally injure someone). And while the IRS treats single-member LLCs as disregarded entities for federal tax purposes, you still have the option to elect different tax treatment (like being taxed as an S-Corp) which might save on self-employment taxes depending on your situation. The real value comes when you grow or have partners. If you plan to take on investors, hire employees, or expand significantly, having the LLC already established creates a cleaner legal foundation. It also looks more professional to clients and vendors.

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Miguel Ramos

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But what about asset protection? I thought having an LLC would protect my personal assets like my house if the business got sued. Is that not true for single-member LLCs?

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Ava Martinez

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The asset protection for single-member LLCs exists but is weaker than for multi-member LLCs. Courts are more likely to allow creditors to reach your personal assets if you're the sole owner, especially if you haven't maintained strict separation between business and personal finances. For stronger asset protection, many business owners implement additional strategies like having adequate business insurance, potentially setting up a multi-member LLC, and in some cases using multiple entities. The LLC alone isn't a magic shield, but it's one layer in a comprehensive protection strategy.

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QuantumQuasar

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Zainab Omar

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Does it work for comparing other business structures too? Like comparing LLC vs S-Corp directly? My CPA keeps pushing me toward an S-Corp but I'm not convinced.

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I'm skeptical of any service claiming to give definitive answers about business structures. There are so many state-specific issues, and liability protection varies widely based on local case law. How does the system account for that?

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QuantumQuasar

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Zainab Omar

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Yara Sayegh

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Paolo Longo

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One thing nobody mentioned is that LLCs can be worth it just for the professional image. I've been a freelance graphic designer for years, and clients take me WAY more seriously when they can make checks out to "Horizon Design LLC" instead of my personal name. Plus having a separate business checking account and credit card has made tax time so much easier.

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CosmicCowboy

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Did you need to hire a lawyer to set up your LLC? I'm thinking about forming one but worried about the startup costs.

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Paolo Longo

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I didn't use a lawyer for my basic single-member LLC. I filed the paperwork myself directly through my state's business filing website. It was pretty straightforward - just a few forms and a filing fee of $125 in my state. For more complex situations like multiple members or special tax elections, legal help might be worth it. But for a simple setup, you can often DIY it with the help of online resources. The most important thing after forming is to keep your business and personal finances completely separate - dedicated business account, separate credit card, proper record-keeping, etc.

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Amina Diallo

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The operating agreement is the most important part of an LLC that nobody talks about! Without a solid operating agreement (even for a single-member LLC), you're not establishing the separation needed for actual liability protection. My accountant didn't even mention this when I set up my LLC three years ago.

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Oliver Schulz

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So true. I have a single-member LLC but didn't create an operating agreement because I thought it was unnecessary since I'm the only owner. Two years later, I got sued by a client, and my attorney said the lack of formal documentation made my liability protection much weaker. Expensive lesson learned.

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Andre Moreau

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You're asking the right questions, but I think you're missing some nuanced benefits. Yes, single-member LLCs have weaker liability protection than multi-member ones, but they're not completely useless. The key is understanding what they DO protect against. An LLC can shield you from business debts and contractual obligations. If your business defaults on a loan or can't pay suppliers, creditors generally can't go after your personal house, car, or savings. Where it gets murky is with personal liability - if YOU personally cause harm (malpractice, negligence, etc.), the LLC won't protect you. The tax "disregarded entity" status is actually a feature, not a bug, for many small businesses. It simplifies your taxes while keeping the door open for future elections. Once you hit around $60K+ in profit, you can elect S-Corp status and potentially save thousands in self-employment taxes. The real scam isn't LLCs themselves - it's the cottage industry of services that charge $500+ to file $50 worth of paperwork. Most states let you file directly online for under $200. The ongoing costs (annual reports, etc.) are usually minimal too. Bottom line: LLCs aren't magic bullets, but they're useful tools when set up properly and used as part of a broader business strategy.

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Zara Malik

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This is exactly the kind of balanced perspective I was hoping to find! The point about contractual vs. personal liability is huge - I hadn't really understood that distinction before. I'm curious about the S-Corp election you mentioned. Is that something you can do at any time, or are there specific deadlines? I'm nowhere near $60K in profit yet, but it's good to know that option exists for the future. Also, do you have any recommendations for resources to learn about setting up an LLC properly? I want to make sure I'm doing all the formalities correctly from the start.

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Great question about the S-Corp election timing! You generally have until March 15th of the tax year you want it to be effective, but there's also a "late election relief" provision that can help if you miss the deadline. The IRS allows retroactive elections in certain circumstances. For setting up an LLC properly, I'd recommend starting with your state's Secretary of State website - most have good guides. The key things are: 1) Draft a comprehensive operating agreement (even as a single member), 2) Get an EIN from the IRS, 3) Open a dedicated business bank account, 4) Keep meticulous records separating business and personal expenses, and 5) Follow all state compliance requirements (annual reports, etc.). NOLO has some excellent books on LLC formation that go into the legal nuances without being overly technical. Just remember - the goal isn't just to form the LLC, it's to operate it in a way that maintains the legal protections it provides.

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As someone who's been through this exact decision process, I think the real issue is that LLCs are often presented as either "essential" or "worthless" when the truth is much more nuanced. You're absolutely right that the liability protection for single-member LLCs is weaker than many people realize. Courts are more willing to pierce the corporate veil when there's only one owner, especially if you haven't maintained strict formalities. But "weaker" doesn't mean "nonexistent." The key insight I wish someone had told me earlier is that LLCs protect you from different types of risks in different ways. They're much better at protecting against business debts and contractual liabilities than they are at protecting against personal torts or professional malpractice claims. Here's what changed my perspective: I realized I was thinking about it backwards. Instead of asking "Is an LLC worth it?" I started asking "What are my specific risks, and how does each business structure address them?" For my consulting business, the main risks were client payment disputes and potential contract breaches - areas where an LLC actually does provide meaningful protection. The tax situation is actually more flexible than it initially appears. Yes, you start as a disregarded entity, but that keeps your options open. As your business grows, you can elect different tax treatments without having to restructure entirely. My recommendation: Don't form an LLC just because everyone says you should, but don't dismiss it just because the protection isn't perfect. Analyze your specific situation, risks, and long-term plans first.

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