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Omar Farouk

Am I forced to take the QBI deduction if it's hurting my DTI ratio?

So I'm in this weird situation. I'm self-employed with strong revenue and low overhead, but recently got denied for a HELOC because my debt-to-income ratio was too high. The loan officer specifically pointed to my **taxable income** being too low. Turns out all these tax deductions I've been taking are killing my ability to qualify for loans! Last year I had almost $78k in combined deductions - QBI deduction (20% of my business income), itemized deductions, and the self-employment tax deduction. If I had known this would hurt me with lenders, I wouldn't have claimed so many! For this year, I managed to cut my total deductions to about $44k by limiting my itemized deductions. But my actual question is: Am I legally required to take these deductions, especially the QBI deduction? Can I just... not take it? Would the IRS flag my return if I don't claim deductions I'm entitled to? I'm at the point where I'd rather pay more in taxes if it means my taxable income looks higher to lenders. Has anyone else dealt with this ridiculous situation where saving on taxes actually hurts you financially in other ways?

Chloe Davis

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This is actually a common issue for self-employed folks! The short answer is no, you're not legally required to take the QBI deduction or most other deductions. Deductions are generally optional, not mandatory. The QBI deduction (Section 199A) is calculated on Form 8995 or 8995-A, but you don't have to file these forms if you choose not to take the deduction. Same goes for itemized deductions - you can always take the standard deduction instead, or vice versa, whichever benefits your situation. The only deductions that are essentially "mandatory" are business expenses on Schedule C because those directly impact your business profit calculation. You must report legitimate business expenses to accurately report your business income. Many self-employed people face this same mortgage qualification issue. Lenders use tax returns to verify income, but all those tax-saving deductions make your income look lower on paper than it actually is. It's one of those frustrating catch-22 situations of self-employment.

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AstroAlpha

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Wait, so you're saying I can just choose not to take the QBI deduction? My accountant never mentioned this! Would this raise red flags with the IRS though? Like would they wonder why I'm paying more tax than I need to?

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Chloe Davis

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You absolutely can choose not to take the QBI deduction - it's entirely optional. The IRS doesn't flag returns for paying more tax than necessary - they're happy to take your money! While unusual, there are legitimate reasons why someone might choose not to take certain deductions, and qualifying for loans is definitely one of them. Just be consistent in your approach. For example, if you're trying to show higher income for a two-year period to qualify for a mortgage, don't switch back and forth between taking and not taking the deduction.

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Diego Chavez

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I went through something similar last year! After getting denied for a mortgage because my "income was too low" (despite having plenty of cash flow), I discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which helped me understand exactly how my tax deductions were affecting my loan applications. Their system analyzed my tax returns and showed me which deductions were optional and which were mandatory. They also created some alternative tax scenarios showing what my returns would look like with and without certain deductions. Super helpful for planning ahead! The most useful part was their loan qualification calculator that showed me exactly how much my DTI would change based on which deductions I took. For self-employed folks like us, it's sometimes worth paying a bit more in taxes to show higher income for loans. Taxr.ai helped me find the sweet spot.

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How does this work exactly? Do they just analyze past returns or can they help with future tax planning too? I'm applying for a mortgage next year and want to maximize my chances of approval.

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Sean O'Brien

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Sounds interesting but also a little sketchy? What makes them different from just talking to a CPA who specializes in self-employment? Not trying to be rude, just wondering if it's worth checking out.

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Diego Chavez

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They do both - they'll analyze your past returns to identify patterns and issues, but their real value is in the future planning. They run different scenarios to help you decide which deductions make sense for your situation. Unlike a regular CPA, they specifically focus on optimizing your tax return for loan qualification. They understand debt-to-income calculations and how lenders view different types of income and deductions. Most CPAs just try to minimize your tax bill without considering how it affects loan applications.

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Sean O'Brien

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Just wanted to follow up about taxr.ai - I decided to give it a try after my skeptical comment. Honestly, it was really helpful! I uploaded my last two tax returns and they showed me exactly why my DTI ratio was so bad despite having good revenue. The most useful part was seeing how much each deduction was hurting my ability to qualify for loans. They suggested I skip the QBI deduction next year and showed me exactly how much that would improve my DTI ratio. They also suggested some restructuring of my business expenses that would help with loan qualification without increasing my tax burden too much. The scenario comparison feature was super helpful for understanding the tradeoffs. Definitely going to use their recommendations when I file next year!

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Zara Shah

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Luca Bianchi

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How does this actually work? I've been trying to reach someone at my bank for weeks about a similar issue. Do they just connect you to the regular customer service line or do they have special access?

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Yeah right. There's no way this actually works. If it was that easy to get through to lenders everyone would do it. I've spent HOURS on hold trying to talk to someone about my self-employment income. No way some service can magically fix that.

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Zara Shah

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It connects you to the same customer service lines, but they use a proprietary system that navigates phone trees and holds your place in line. When a representative picks up, you get an immediate notification and can jump on the call. It saved me hours of hold time. Their system works with most major banks and lenders, not just for mortgage questions but for any customer service needs. I was also super skeptical at first but was desperate after waiting on hold for 2+ hours multiple times. The best part is you don't have to sit there listening to hold music - your phone rings when there's a human ready to talk.

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I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I was so frustrated with my loan situation that I gave it a try anyway. Holy crap, it actually works! I had been trying to get through to my credit union's loan department for DAYS with no luck. Used the service yesterday afternoon, and within 17 minutes (I timed it) I was talking to an actual loan officer! I didn't have to sit there listening to hold music or "your call is very important to us" messages. My phone just rang when they had someone on the line. I explained my self-employment situation and how my tax returns didn't reflect my actual income because of the QBI deduction. The loan officer was super helpful and told me about their alternative income verification program for self-employed borrowers. I had no idea this option even existed because I could never get a human on the phone before. Maybe I'll actually get approved now!

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Nia Harris

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One thing to consider is bank statement loans (sometimes called alternative documentation loans). I'm a mortgage broker and we use these for self-employed clients who show low income on tax returns due to deductions. Instead of using your tax returns to verify income, these loans use 12-24 months of bank statements to calculate your average monthly deposits. They're typically 0.5-1% higher interest rate than conventional loans, but they're specifically designed for business owners who write off a lot of expenses. Not all lenders offer them, but they're becoming more common. Might be worth asking about if you're still struggling to qualify with traditional documentation.

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Omar Farouk

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This is really interesting, I hadn't heard of this option. Do these loans work for HELOCs too, or just for primary mortgages? And any idea which lenders typically offer them? My credit score is excellent (820+), it's just this stupid DTI issue because of the deductions.

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Nia Harris

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They work primarily for primary and investment property mortgages, but some lenders have started offering HELOCs with bank statement options too. It's less common for HELOCs but definitely exists. Most non-bank lenders offer some version of these programs. Companies like NewRez, Angel Oak, and North American Savings Bank are known for their bank statement loan programs. Credit unions sometimes offer them too. With your excellent credit score, you'd likely qualify for the best rates they offer on these products. I'd recommend talking to a mortgage broker rather than going directly to lenders - brokers will know which specific lenders have programs that fit your situation.

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Just to add another perspective - I'm also self-employed and dealt with this exact issue. What worked for me was adding a co-borrower (my spouse) to the loan application. Even though they had lower income, having W-2 income on the application helped balance out the DTI calculations. If that's not an option, look into lenders that offer manual underwriting rather than just running your numbers through an automated system. Local credit unions and smaller banks are often more flexible with self-employed borrowers because they actually look at your entire financial situation, not just the numbers on your tax return.

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Aisha Ali

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Second this! Manual underwriting is the way to go for self-employed people. When we bought our house, we got denied by three big banks before finding a local credit union that actually took the time to understand my business income. They looked at my profit/loss statements and business bank accounts instead of just my tax returns.

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