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I feel your pain on this fiscal year deadline confusion! I went through the exact same thing with my small manufacturing business a couple years ago. The September 15th deadline for June 30 fiscal year corporations is one of those weird exceptions that catches so many people off guard. Since you're already past the September 15, 2024 deadline for your first year, here's what I'd recommend based on my experience: 1. File immediately - don't wait another day. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of unpaid tax per month and stops growing once you file, even if you still owe money. 2. Include a reasonable cause letter with your return explaining the confusion about fiscal year deadlines. I did this and the IRS accepted it as reasonable cause for a first-time filer. 3. Look into First-Time Penalty Abatement if you have a clean compliance history. You can request this after filing by calling the IRS or including a letter with your return. 4. For next year, set up proper reminders for your September 15 deadline, and consider filing Form 7004 for an automatic extension to March 15 if you need more time. The good news is that this type of deadline confusion is actually pretty common for new corporations with fiscal years, and the IRS recognizes it as reasonable cause. Don't let the stress paralyze you - just get that return filed ASAP and deal with any penalties after the fact. You've got options to reduce or eliminate them.
This is such solid advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and the reasonable cause letter approach gives me hope. Quick question - when you included the reasonable cause letter with your return, did you attach it as a separate document or incorporate the explanation directly into the return itself? Also, did you end up owing any penalties after the IRS reviewed your case, or did they waive everything based on the reasonable cause? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for what might happen when I finally get my late 1120 filed. The stress of this whole situation has been keeping me up at night, so it's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing and came out okay on the other side!
I can totally relate to this fiscal year confusion! As someone who's helped many small business owners navigate these deadlines, the June 30 fiscal year exception trips up almost everyone initially. Since you missed the September 15, 2024 deadline, here's my recommended action plan: **Immediate Steps:** 1. File your Form 1120 THIS WEEK - seriously, don't wait another day 2. Include a reasonable cause statement explaining the fiscal year deadline confusion 3. Pay any taxes owed to minimize failure-to-pay penalties **Penalty Relief Options:** - First-Time Penalty Abatement (if you have clean compliance history) - Reasonable cause relief for the deadline confusion - The IRS is generally understanding about fiscal year filing confusion for new corporations **Going Forward:** - Mark September 15 in your calendar for future years - Consider filing Form 7004 next year for automatic extension to March 15 - Set up quarterly estimated payment reminders (Oct 15, Dec 15, Mar 15, Jun 15) The failure-to-file penalty (5% per month) is way steeper than failure-to-pay (0.5% per month), so getting that return filed immediately should be your top priority. Once filed, you can work on penalty abatement. Don't beat yourself up over this - the fiscal year deadline rules are genuinely confusing, and you're definitely not the first business owner to get caught by this!
This is such helpful and practical advice! I really appreciate you laying out the immediate action steps so clearly. The fact that the failure-to-file penalty is 10x steeper than failure-to-pay (5% vs 0.5% per month) really puts things in perspective - I need to stop overthinking and just get this filed. Your point about the IRS being understanding about fiscal year confusion for new corporations is really reassuring. I've been spiraling thinking I'm going to face massive penalties, but it sounds like there are legitimate paths to penalty relief if I act quickly and explain the situation properly. Quick question about the reasonable cause statement - should I keep it brief and factual, or provide more detail about how I researched the deadlines and got confused by all the April 15th information online? I want to strike the right tone without sounding like I'm making excuses. Thanks again for taking the time to share such detailed guidance - this is exactly what I needed to hear to finally stop procrastinating and get this done!
This is such a timely question! I went through the exact same confusion when I started trading more actively last year. The wash sale rules are definitely one of those tax concepts that seem simple on the surface but get complicated quickly in practice. One thing that helped me understand it better was thinking about the IRS's intent behind the rule - they don't want people to claim tax losses while immediately getting back into the same economic position. That's why the loss isn't permanently gone, just deferred until you actually exit the position for good. A few additional points that might help: - The 30-day window goes both ways (before AND after the sale), so it's actually a 61-day window total where you need to be careful - Your broker's 1099-B will show wash sales they're aware of, but they might miss some if you trade across multiple brokers or account types - If you're doing tax-loss harvesting near year-end, be extra careful about January purchases triggering wash sales on December sales The cost basis adjustment you mentioned is correct - that $200 loss gets added to your new shares' basis, so you'll eventually get the tax benefit when you sell those replacement shares (assuming you don't trigger another wash sale). Have you considered consulting with a tax professional who specializes in trading? It might be worth the cost given how complex this can get with active trading.
This is really helpful context about the IRS's intent behind the rule - that framing makes it much clearer why they structured it this way. The 61-day total window is something I definitely didn't realize initially. I'm curious about the tax professional recommendation - do you have any suggestions for finding someone who specifically understands active trading tax issues? I've talked to a couple of CPAs but they seemed pretty general and didn't really get into the nuances of wash sales across multiple accounts or with options trading. Also, for someone just starting to trade more actively, what's a reasonable threshold where you'd say "okay, now you really need professional help with this"? Like is it based on number of trades, dollar amounts, or complexity of strategies?
Great question about finding the right tax professional! I'd recommend looking for CPAs or EAs (Enrolled Agents) who specifically advertise experience with day traders or active investors. The National Association of Tax Professionals has a directory where you can search by specialty. Also, many trading forums and communities have recommendations for tax pros who "get it" when it comes to complex trading scenarios. As for thresholds, I'd say consider professional help if you're hitting any of these: - Making 100+ trades per year across multiple accounts - Trading options regularly (especially complex strategies) - Dealing with wash sales that span different account types - Your trading losses/gains are significant relative to your income (like 25%+) - You're doing any kind of tax-loss harvesting strategy The complexity matters more than pure volume though. Someone making 500 simple stock trades might be fine with good software, while someone doing 50 trades involving options, multiple brokers, and retirement accounts might really need professional guidance. I learned this the hard way - tried to DIY my taxes after a year of active trading and ended up paying way more than I should have because I missed several wash sale implications. The CPA's fee was easily offset by the tax savings they found.
Just wanted to add another perspective on the "substantially identical" question that's been bugging me too. I learned from my tax advisor that the IRS hasn't provided a comprehensive list of what counts as substantially identical, which makes this so confusing for us regular traders. For ETFs, it's not just about tracking the same index - even funds that track different but highly correlated indexes could potentially be considered substantially identical. For example, an S&P 500 ETF and a large-cap growth ETF might have enough overlap that the IRS could argue they're substantially identical if you're not careful. One strategy I've started using is the "different asset class" approach when I need to tax-loss harvest. Instead of trying to find a "similar but not identical" replacement, I'll temporarily move to a completely different sector or even bonds for the 31-day period. It's not perfect for maintaining exposure, but it completely eliminates the wash sale risk. Also, be super careful with dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs). If you sell a stock at a loss but have DRIP enabled and it automatically reinvests dividends within the wash sale window, that could trigger the rule too. I had to disable DRIP on several positions to avoid this issue. The whole system really seems designed to trip up active traders who don't have professional tax help!
This is exactly the kind of practical insight I was looking for! The DRIP issue is something I never would have thought about - I have dividend reinvestment enabled on several positions and could definitely see myself accidentally triggering wash sales that way. Your point about the IRS not providing a comprehensive list is really frustrating but makes sense why this is so confusing for everyone. The "different asset class" approach sounds smart even if it's not perfect for maintaining exposure. Better to be conservative and avoid any potential issues with the IRS. Do you know if there are any recent court cases or IRS rulings that have clarified what "substantially identical" means for modern ETFs? It seems like with so many new funds coming out that track slightly different but overlapping indexes, this is becoming an even bigger gray area than it was before. Also wondering - when you temporarily move to bonds or other asset classes during the 31-day period, do you have a go-to strategy for what to buy? Like do you stick with broad market bond ETFs or do you try to match the duration/risk profile somehow?
Has anyone used the automatic consent procedures for changing accounting method for depreciation? I filed my 2022 return on time but didn't take bonus depreciation on some equipment because my accountant said it wouldn't benefit me. Now my business situation changed and I wish I had taken it.
Yes, I used the automatic consent procedures last year for a similar situation. File Form 3115 with your next tax return and check box 1a in Part I. In Part II, use DCN 7 for depreciation changes. Include a statement explaining the change and calculations showing the adjustment amount. You'll get a "catch-up" deduction in the year of change.
I went through this exact situation last year with a late-filed 2021 return and commercial property. The good news is you're not completely out of luck! While it's true that bonus depreciation is generally supposed to be claimed on timely filed returns, the IRS has provided relief through Rev. Proc. 2019-33 and automatic consent procedures. You can file Form 3115 (Application for Change in Accounting Method) with your next tax return to claim the missed bonus depreciation as a Section 481(a) adjustment. For your $475k commercial building, the cost segregation study will be crucial. The building structure itself won't qualify for bonus depreciation (it's 39-year property), but components like electrical systems, plumbing, HVAC, flooring, and interior fixtures typically qualify for accelerated depreciation schedules and bonus treatment. One important note: make sure you place the property in service during 2022 to qualify for the 100% bonus depreciation rate. If you're filing Form 3115, you'll need to include detailed calculations and documentation. I'd strongly recommend working with a tax professional who has experience with these forms - the IRS scrutinizes them closely, and errors can be costly. The tax savings can definitely be substantial, so it's worth pursuing the proper procedures to capture this benefit even on a late-filed return.
This is incredibly helpful information! I'm actually in a very similar boat - filed my 2022 return late and missed claiming bonus depreciation on some manufacturing equipment I purchased. Quick question: when you say "place the property in service during 2022" - does that mean when I actually started using it for business, or when I officially purchased it? I bought the equipment in November 2022 but didn't get it fully installed and operational until January 2023. Also, do you know if there's a deadline for filing the Form 3115 to make this change, or can I include it with my 2024 return that I'll be filing this year?
I've been following this thread closely as someone who's been struggling with the exact same issue - my automated payment plan payment of $312 from March just vanished from their system despite clearing my bank account weeks ago. I was starting to think I was going crazy until I found this community discussion! The collective problem-solving here is absolutely incredible. You've all basically created the definitive guide to actually reaching IRS agents when dealing with payment processing issues. The strategy is so clear now: call 800-829-0922 (collections number) early morning around 8:30 AM on weekdays, have all documentation ready, and mention the "reconciliation queue" or "unpostable transactions" issues right away. What really gives me confidence is seeing how consistent the success rate has been once people started using this approach. Every single person who tried the collections number has gotten through to knowledgeable agents like Patricia and Maria who immediately recognize these March/April processing problems and can resolve them quickly. I'm planning to call first thing Monday morning with my bank statements and payment confirmation numbers organized. After reading through all these detailed success stories - from 15-minute resolutions to helpful email confirmations with reference numbers - I finally feel like this is a solvable problem instead of an impossible bureaucratic nightmare. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and strategies. This thread has transformed what felt like a hopeless situation into a manageable problem with proven solutions. I'll definitely report back with my results to keep this valuable resource going for other taxpayers dealing with similar issues!
I'm new to this community but I've been reading through this entire thread and I'm honestly amazed at how you've all figured out the IRS phone system! I'm dealing with a nearly identical situation - my March payment of $195 from my installment agreement just disappeared from their system even though my bank shows it was processed. I've tried calling the main IRS number twice this week and got completely lost in those automated loops that everyone described. It's so frustrating when you just need someone to look at your account for a few minutes to fix what's clearly a system error. Based on all the success stories here, I'm definitely going to try that collections number (800-829-0922) tomorrow morning around 8:30 AM. I've got my bank statement and payment confirmations all organized, and I'll mention the "reconciliation queue" issue right away like everyone suggested. It's incredible that this community has basically solved a problem that the official IRS customer service couldn't handle. The consistency of success once people reach agents like Patricia and Maria is really encouraging. Thank you to everyone for sharing such detailed strategies - you're literally saving people from weeks of phone system nightmare! I'll definitely update with my results to keep this valuable resource going for other taxpayers dealing with similar payment processing issues.
I'm so grateful I found this thread! I've been dealing with the exact same nightmare for weeks now - my automated payment of $287 from March completely vanished from the IRS system despite being withdrawn from my bank account over a month ago. I've been getting increasingly frantic notices saying I'm behind on payments when I know I paid on time. I tried calling the main IRS number five times over the past two weeks and got trapped in those soul-crushing automated loops every single time. I was starting to lose hope and worry about accumulating penalties for something that wasn't even my fault. Reading through all these detailed success stories has been like finding a lifeline! The pattern is so clear - the collections number (800-829-0922), early morning timing around 8:30 AM, having documentation ready, and mentioning the "reconciliation queue" issues upfront. It's incredible how this community has reverse-engineered the entire IRS phone system. I'm planning to call tomorrow (Tuesday) morning at 8:30 AM sharp with my bank statements, payment confirmations, and account numbers all organized. After seeing so many people get their March/April payment issues resolved in 15-25 minutes once they reach agents like Patricia and Maria, I finally have hope this will actually get fixed. This thread should honestly be required reading for anyone dealing with IRS payment problems. Thank you to everyone who shared their strategies and experiences - you've turned what felt like an impossible bureaucratic maze into a manageable problem with proven solutions!
Abigail Spencer
Make sure you and your parents are communicating about this!!! My GF and her mom had a huge problem last year because they BOTH filed - her mom claimed her as dependent while my GF filed as independent. The IRS flagged both returns and they had to submit amended returns. It delayed her refund by like 5 months.
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Logan Chiang
ā¢This happened to me too! The IRS automatically rejected my e-filed return because my parents had already filed claiming me. Super annoying because I had to paper file an amended return.
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Malik Davis
Based on what you've described, it sounds like your dad is correct - you likely can still be claimed as their dependent despite your $40,500 income. Since you were a student for the first part of the year (through May graduation), lived with them the entire year, and they're providing significant support (housing, utilities, food, health insurance), you probably meet the "qualifying child" test. The income limit ($4,400) only applies to "qualifying relatives," not "qualifying children." For qualifying children, there's no income restriction - the key factors are age (you're under 24 and were a student), relationship (their child), residency (lived with them more than half the year), and support (they provided more than half). When you file your return, make sure to check the box indicating you can be claimed as a dependent. This coordination is crucial - if you file as independent while they claim you as dependent, the IRS will flag both returns and cause major delays. One thing to consider: being claimed as a dependent means you'll miss out on certain tax benefits like the student loan interest deduction (sounds like you paid $2,500 in interest). But typically, the tax savings your parents get from claiming you outweigh what you'd save filing independently. Might be worth running both scenarios to see the total tax impact for your family.
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Mason Davis
ā¢This is really helpful! I'm in a similar boat - just graduated and living at home while job hunting. One question though: when you say "run both scenarios," is there an easy way to calculate this? Like should I actually prepare my taxes both ways (as dependent vs independent) to see which saves our family more money overall? Or is there a quicker way to estimate the difference?
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