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lmao welcome to IRS purgatory. been there done that got the t-shirt. might as well get comfortable, youre gonna be here a while 🀣

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I'm so sorry you're going through this stress! The 810 freeze is unfortunately becoming really common this year. From what I've seen in the community, it usually means they're doing some kind of verification or review, but the good news is that most people do get their refunds eventually - it just takes longer than expected. A few things that might help while you wait: - Check if you can create an IRS online account to see if there are any action items waiting - Double-check that all your W-2s and 1099s match what you reported - Don't panic if the "as of" date keeps changing - that's normal and doesn't mean anything is wrong The hardest part is just the waiting and not knowing. Many people here have had similar experiences where it resolved itself after 6-8 weeks without any action needed. Try not to stress too much (easier said than done, I know!) and definitely don't amend your return unless you're 100% sure something is actually wrong. Hang in there! 🀞

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Alicia Stern

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Have you guys had any issues with tax software handling these kinds of rental income situations? I tried using TurboTax last year and couldn't figure out where to report services received as rental income.

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I use H&R Block software and it actually has a specific section for "payment in kind" or non-cash rental income. You just enter it as additional rental income and then also create a corresponding expense entry. Much clearer than TurboTax in my experience.

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Jamal Harris

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my tenant handles snow removal in winter and takes $150 off rent each month during snow season. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like I should be reporting my full rent amount ($2200) as income for all 12 months, then claiming the snow removal as a maintenance expense during those winter months when the service is actually provided. One question though - do I need to issue a 1099 to my tenant for the snow removal services? Since it's over $600 for the year, I'm wondering if there are any reporting requirements on my end beyond just the Schedule E entries. Also, for documentation purposes, would it be smart to have the tenant submit invoices or receipts for the work even though they're doing it themselves? I want to make sure I have proper backup in case of an audit.

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Jade O'Malley

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It might also depend on exactly how much you make. There's a weird gap where if you earn just enough to push into the next tax bracket, but not enough that your company's standard withholding calculation accounts for it, you can end up owing. For example, I make about $68k and kept owing until I added an additional withholding of $50 per paycheck. My company's payroll system just wasn't accurately calculating the tax for my specific income level.

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This is exactly what was happening to me! I was right at the edge of the 22% bracket, but the withholding calculations were acting like all my income was in the 12% bracket. Adding that extra withholding was the only solution that worked.

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I went through this exact same frustration for three years running! What finally solved it for me was realizing that even though I was claiming "0" allowances, my employer's payroll system was still not withholding enough because of how they were calculating bonuses and overtime. Even small amounts of overtime or quarterly bonuses can throw off the withholding calculations because the system assumes that extra pay will continue all year long. So if you get a $500 bonus in March, the system might withhold taxes as if you're getting $500 extra every month. Here's what I did that completely fixed the problem: I calculated roughly how much I owed the previous year, divided that by the number of paychecks I get annually, and then requested that exact amount as additional withholding on my W-4. So if I owed $600 last year and get paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks), I requested an additional $25 per paycheck. This approach worked way better than trying to figure out all the technical reasons why the standard withholding wasn't working. Sometimes the simplest solution is just to tell them to take out more money upfront.

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Has anyone else noticed that if you e-file, state refunds almost always come faster than federal? Last year I got my state refund in like 9 days but my federal took almost a month!

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Jamal Brown

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Absolutely! States generally process returns faster than the feds. I think it's because they're dealing with a smaller volume of returns and less complexity. I'm in Oregon and usually get my state refund about 1-2 weeks faster than federal.

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Raul Neal

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This is actually a really common situation! The key thing to remember is that state and federal tax systems are completely separate - your state refund won't be held up by what you owe federally. I've been through this exact scenario before. Since you're using an online tax service, they'll typically submit both returns at the same time, but each gets processed independently. Your Michigan state refund should come through in about 10-14 days if you're e-filing with direct deposit, which sounds like it'll be perfect timing for you. One tip: even if you can't pay the full $1200 federal amount right away, make sure you still file your federal return on time to avoid the failure-to-file penalty (which is much steeper than the failure-to-pay penalty). The IRS offers payment plans that can spread out what you owe over several months with minimal interest - definitely worth looking into if that $900 state refund doesn't cover everything you need.

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This is a bit off topic but have you considered just getting married? My partner and I were in this exact situation with kids, HOH status, and Obamacare headaches. Getting married simplified everything tax-wise for us. I know marriage is a huge decision for many other reasons, but just from a purely practical/financial perspective, it solved our tax/healthcare coordination issues. We actually save money now because we file jointly and still qualify for premium tax credits.

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Yuki Watanabe

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This could backfire though! If they get married and their combined income goes up too much, they could lose the ACA subsidies completely. Getting married sometimes creates a "subsidy cliff" where you suddenly make too much for assistance. Happened to my cousin last year and their premiums went from $275/month to over $1100!

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Omar Hassan

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As a tax professional, I want to emphasize that this situation requires very careful planning to avoid potential issues with both the IRS and the Health Insurance Marketplace. Here's what you need to know: The ACA subsidies are reconciled on your tax return through Form 8962. If your girlfriend received advance premium tax credits for both children but doesn't claim them as dependents, she'll likely owe back a significant portion of those subsidies - potentially thousands of dollars. For Head of Household status, you CAN potentially qualify even if you don't claim the children as dependents, but only if you have another qualifying person (like a parent you support). Simply paying household expenses while living with your girlfriend doesn't automatically qualify you for HOH if you can't claim a dependent. My recommendation: Calculate the total financial impact of both scenarios. Compare the tax savings from you filing HOH and claiming dependents against the cost of losing ACA subsidies and finding alternative health insurance. Often, keeping the ACA coverage is more valuable than the tax benefits. Also consider timing - you might be able to adjust the marketplace application during the next open enrollment period to reflect whoever will be claiming the children, which could help avoid subsidy repayment issues. I'd strongly suggest consulting with both a tax professional and a certified application counselor who understands ACA rules before making any changes.

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Sophia Carson

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This is really helpful advice from a professional perspective. I'm curious about the timing aspect you mentioned - if we decide to change who claims the children during the next open enrollment, would that require us to update our marketplace application before we actually file our taxes? Also, when you say "calculate the total financial impact," are there any online calculators that can help with this complex comparison between tax benefits vs. ACA subsidy costs? The math seems pretty complicated when you factor in premium tax credits, dependent exemptions, and HOH status all together. One more question - you mentioned needing another qualifying person for HOH if I don't claim the children. My elderly mother lives about an hour away and I do help with some of her expenses, but she doesn't live with us. Would that potentially qualify me for HOH status?

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