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This is such a helpful thread! I've been struggling with this exact issue as a freelance consultant. One thing that really helped me understand the rules better was learning about the "home office safe harbor" - if you qualify for the home office deduction and use that space regularly and exclusively for business, it significantly changes how your mileage gets calculated. The key insight for me was realizing that the IRS doesn't just look at WHERE you drive, but WHY you're driving there and what your business structure looks like. If your home is truly your principal place of business (where you do admin work, client calls, etc.), then driving from home to client meetings isn't commuting - it's traveling between business locations. But if you just work from home sometimes while your "real" office is elsewhere, those home-to-client trips might still be considered commuting. The distinction is subtle but makes a huge difference in what you can deduct!

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Mei Zhang

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I think I've been overthinking this whole thing. I'm a freelance graphic designer and I do all my administrative work, client communications, and project planning from my home office. But I was still treating my drives to client meetings as "commuting" because I thought any drive from home automatically counted as commuting. Based on what you're saying about the home office safe harbor, it sounds like since my home is where I conduct the substantial administrative activities of my business, those client meeting drives should actually be deductible as business travel between locations. This could save me a lot of money! Do you know if there are any specific documentation requirements to prove your home office qualifies as your principal place of business? I want to make sure I'm covered if the IRS ever questions it.

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Dylan Wright

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You're absolutely right about the home office qualification making a huge difference! For documentation, the IRS generally wants to see that you use the space regularly and exclusively for business. Keep records showing: 1) Photos of your dedicated home office space, 2) Records of business activities conducted there (client calls, admin work, bookkeeping), 3) Any business mail sent to your home address, 4) Documentation that you meet clients primarily at their locations rather than having a separate business office. The "exclusive use" test is key - that space can't double as a guest room or family computer area. Even a corner of a room can qualify if it's used only for business. I'd also recommend keeping a simple log of your typical work-from-home activities to show the administrative nature of what you do there. This helps establish that substantial management activities happen at your home office, which is the IRS standard for "principal place of business.

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This conversation has been incredibly helpful! I was making the exact same mistakes as many of you. I'm a freelance web developer and was treating ALL my drives from home as commuting, even though I run my entire business from a dedicated home office. After reading through these responses, I realized I need to completely rethink my approach. I conduct all my client consultations, project planning, invoicing, and business communications from my home office - which clearly makes it my principal place of business under IRS rules. This means my drives to client sites for meetings, on-site work, or equipment pickup should be fully deductible business miles, not commuting. I've probably missed thousands in legitimate deductions over the past few years. The distinction between "driving from home" vs "driving from your principal place of business" is subtle but makes all the difference. Thank you especially to those who shared the specific documentation tips - I'm going to start keeping better records of my home office use and business activities to support these deductions going forward. Sometimes the tax code actually works in our favor as self-employed folks, we just need to understand the nuances!

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Rajiv Kumar

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This thread has been a game-changer for me too! I'm just starting out as a freelance marketing consultant and was completely overwhelmed by the mileage deduction rules. Reading everyone's experiences has helped me realize I need to get my home office documentation sorted out from the beginning. I'm setting up a dedicated office space in my spare bedroom and will be doing all my client outreach, project management, and invoicing from there. Based on what I'm learning here, this should qualify as my principal place of business, making my drives to client meetings fully deductible. One question though - for those of you who've been through audits or dealt with IRS questions about this, how detailed do your mileage logs need to be? Should I be recording every single business trip, or is there some threshold where shorter trips don't matter as much? I don't want to get overwhelmed with record-keeping but also want to make sure I'm protected.

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Pro-Rata Rule Confusion: Managing Multiple Roth IRAs & Traditional IRA Transfers

Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a mess with this whole pro-rata rule between traditional and Roth IRAs. Just found out about this rule last week and now I'm wondering how badly I messed things up. Here's what happened: 1. January 2024: Rolled an old 401(k) worth about $94,500 into a Traditional IRA at Fidelity 2. February 2024: Rolled another old 401(k) worth roughly $137,200 into that same Traditional IRA 3. By end of 2024, that Traditional IRA balance was around $218,000 4. January 2024: Did a backdoor Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 for myself into my existing Roth IRA; year-end balance was about $63,000 5. January 2024: Did a backdoor Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 for my spouse into her existing Roth IRA; year-end balance was about $63,800 6. June 2025: Did another backdoor Roth IRA contribution of $7,500 for myself; 2025 year-end balance around $79,200 7. June 2025: Did another backdoor Roth IRA contribution of $7,500 for my spouse; 2025 year-end balance around $79,600 8. By December 31, 2025, the Traditional IRA balance had grown to roughly $250,000 So basically I've been doing backdoor Roth contributions for both me and my spouse over the past two years while also maintaining this Traditional IRA. My tax guy is telling me I need to withdraw the Roth IRA money because I was over the AGI limits in 2023, 2024, and 2025. But I thought the whole point of backdoor Roth conversions was to get around those income limits? He's also saying something about maxing out my 401(k) and my spouse's 403(b) being part of the problem, which I've never heard before. I'm totally confused because my AGI has actually been below the IRS limits for all the years in question. I thought I understood this stuff pretty well, but now I'm completely lost. Would really appreciate any help or insight!

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I'm confused why people are suggesting such complicated solutions. If your income is below the Roth IRA contribution limits as you mentioned, why not just contribute directly to your Roth IRAs instead of doing backdoor conversions?

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I think OP meant their income was below the Traditional IRA deduction limits, not the Roth contribution limits. If their MAGI is above $214,000 (married filing jointly in 2024), they couldn't make direct Roth contributions but could still do backdoor.

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Your tax professional seems to be mixing up several different concepts here, which is unfortunately pretty common with backdoor Roth strategies. Let me help clarify what's actually happening: 1. **You don't need to withdraw anything from your Roth IRAs.** The money is already there legally - the issue is just how much tax you owed on the conversions. 2. **The pro-rata rule means you owe taxes on most of your conversions.** With $250k in pre-tax Traditional IRA money and only small non-deductible contributions, roughly 97% of each conversion was taxable income that should have been reported on your tax returns. 3. **Your spouse's situation is completely separate.** If she doesn't have pre-tax Traditional IRA balances, her backdoor Roth conversions work normally with minimal tax impact. 4. **Maxing out 401k/403b has nothing to do with this.** Your tax guy is confusing workplace retirement plan limits with IRA strategies. 5. **Income limits don't prevent backdoor conversions.** They only affect direct Roth contributions. The whole point of backdoor Roth is to get around those limits. For going forward, consider asking your current employer if their 401k accepts reverse rollovers. Moving your Traditional IRA balance back into a workplace plan would eliminate the pro-rata problem for future conversions. You'll also need to make sure Form 8606 was filed correctly for all years to track your non-deductible contributions. Might be worth getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in retirement planning - these strategies require specific expertise that not all tax professionals have.

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was looking for! I'm definitely going to look into the reverse rollover option with my current employer's 401k. One question though - if I do move my Traditional IRA balance back into my 401k, does that fix the pro-rata issue retroactively for the conversions I already did in 2024 and 2025, or would it only help going forward? And do I need to move ALL of my Traditional IRA money, or can I leave some and still improve the pro-rata calculation?

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Has anyone used specific software to track gift card reselling? I'm doing about 15-20 cards per month and manually tracking in Excel is becoming a nightmare, especially when factoring in all the different reward types.

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I use GiftCardTrackr (not sure if I can link it here). It's designed specifically for gift card resellers and connects with major marketplaces. It categorizes all your purchases, sales, and even different reward types. The tax reporting feature automatically adjusts your cost basis to account for cashback and shopping portal rewards.

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Thanks for the recommendation! Just looked it up and it seems perfect for what I'm doing. Does it also track the timeline between purchase and sale? I've heard the IRS might question if you're holding cards too briefly since it could look like "inventory flipping" rather than investment activity.

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NebulaNinja

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For gift card reselling, you'll definitely want to track holding periods carefully. The IRS does look at how quickly you turn over inventory when determining if this is truly a business activity versus something else. Most legitimate gift card resellers hold cards for at least a few days to a week before selling, which helps establish a clear business pattern. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is the importance of documenting your business purpose. Keep records showing that you're actively researching market prices, comparing different platforms, and making strategic decisions about when to sell. This helps demonstrate legitimate business activity rather than just quick arbitrage. Also, consider opening a separate business bank account even if you're not formally incorporated. It makes tracking so much easier and provides clear separation between personal and business transactions, which is crucial if you're ever audited. The IRS loves to see clean record-keeping, especially for newer types of businesses like gift card reselling. One more tip: if you're earning significant income from this (over $20K annually), consider making quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The self-employment tax on top of income tax can add up quickly.

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Sean O'Brien

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm just getting started with gift card reselling (maybe 3-4 cards per month right now) and hadn't thought about the holding period aspect. How long would you recommend holding cards to establish that business pattern you mentioned? Also, at what point should someone consider this a "real business" versus just occasional side income? I'm nowhere near $20K annually - more like $200-300 per month - but want to make sure I'm handling the tax side correctly from the beginning rather than scrambling later. The separate bank account tip is great - I'll definitely set that up. Thanks for sharing all this detail!

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PixelWarrior

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For holding periods, I'd recommend at least 3-7 days minimum, but honestly the sweet spot seems to be 1-2 weeks. This gives you time to monitor price fluctuations and shows you're making deliberate business decisions rather than just flipping immediately. As for when it becomes a "real business" - the IRS doesn't have a hard threshold, but they look at factors like: regular/continuous activity, time and effort invested, expectation of profit, and whether you depend on the income. At $200-300/month, you're definitely in business territory and should treat it as such from day one. Even at your current volume, you should be reporting this on Schedule C. The good news is you can deduct legitimate business expenses like marketplace fees, shipping costs, and even a portion of your internet/phone bills if you use them for research and communication related to the business. Starting with proper record-keeping now will save you massive headaches later. I learned this the hard way when I tried to reconstruct a year's worth of transactions for my tax return - not fun!

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Oliver Brown

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Don't overcomplicate this. I've been audited twice specifically on gambling losses. What worked for me was using the Notes app on my phone with this simple format: - DATE: 9/15/23 - CASINO: Bellagio - GAMES: Blackjack 4hrs ($3k loss), Craps 1hr ($500 win) - SESSION TOTAL: -$2,500 - YEARLY RUNNING TOTAL: -$8,750 I take 30 seconds to update this between games or when I take breaks. If you use your player's card, also request annual win/loss statements from the casinos as supporting documentation. The key is consistency - log EVERY session, even the winning ones.

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Mary Bates

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That seems manageable. Do you find it better to track by session or by day when you're at the casino for multiple days (like on a Vegas trip)?

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I track by session even on multi-day trips because it gives you better detail if questioned. For example, on a 4-day Vegas trip, I'll have separate entries like "Day 1 - MGM Blackjack 2-4pm: -$800" and "Day 1 - Caesars Slots 8-10pm: +$200". This way if there's ever a question about timing or locations, you have the specifics. The running total is crucial though - it helps you see patterns and also makes it easy to report your annual gambling losses accurately. Plus during my audits, the IRS agents appreciated seeing that I was tracking cumulative losses throughout the year, not just cherry-picking bad days.

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Alfredo Lugo

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As someone who's been through multiple IRS audits for gambling losses, I can tell you that your instinct to be more detailed is correct. A single entry like "lost $2,800 playing blackjack" won't hold up under scrutiny. Here's what has worked for me at live casinos: I use my phone's voice memo feature during bathroom breaks or when getting drinks. I just record something like "3:30 PM, blackjack table 7, bought in $500, currently down $200" and then transcribe it later into a proper log. This way I'm not disrupting play but still capturing the key details. The IRS wants to see that you're systematically tracking gambling activity, not just remembering losses at tax time. Your online records are perfect examples of the detail level they expect. For casino play, aim for: date/time, specific location, game type, buy-in amounts, session duration, and win/loss per session. One tip: if you're a regular at certain casinos, ask the pit boss about their player tracking systems. Some will provide session-level detail if you use your card consistently, which can supplement your own records.

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Lim Wong

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The voice memo idea is brilliant! I never thought of using that feature during casino visits. That would definitely be less awkward than pulling out a notebook at the blackjack table. Do you find that casinos are generally okay with players stepping away briefly to record notes, or have you ever had any issues with dealers or floor managers about it? Also, when you mention transcribing voice memos into a proper log later, do you have a specific format you use? I'm wondering if there's a standard template that works best for IRS documentation purposes.

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Avery Davis

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Just wanted to add something that helped me when I was dealing with a similar offset situation - if you're having trouble getting through to the agencies or understanding all the bureaucratic language, consider requesting everything in writing. When I called about my offset (turned out to be an old state tax debt), I asked them to mail me a detailed breakdown of the debt, how it accumulated, and what my options were. Having it in writing made it SO much easier to understand what I was dealing with and gave me something concrete to reference when I called back to set up my payment plan. Plus if there are any errors, you have documentation to dispute them. The phone conversations can be overwhelming but seeing everything laid out on paper really helped me wrap my head around the whole situation.

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This is exactly what I needed to see! I'm going through the same thing right now - expected a $4,200 refund but only got $2,800. Been stressing about it for days not knowing where to start. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. Definitely calling 800-304-3107 first thing tomorrow morning with my SSN ready. It's both frustrating and reassuring to see so many people have dealt with similar situations. The advice about calling early, keeping detailed notes, and being persistent when dealing with agencies is spot on. Also going to check my transcript first like someone suggested to have those codes ready. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - makes this whole situation feel way less scary knowing there are actual steps to take and people do get it resolved!

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Amara Okafor

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This whole thread has been a lifesaver! I'm in almost the exact same boat - was expecting around $3,500 and only got $2,100. Been panicking for weeks not knowing what happened to my money. Everyone's advice about calling 800-304-3107 early in the morning is so helpful, and I love the tip about getting your transcript first to have those specific codes ready. It's amazing how many people have gone through this and actually gotten it resolved. Definitely going to follow the game plan everyone's laid out here - call the hotline, get the agency info, then be persistent until I reach someone who can actually help. Thanks for creating such a helpful discussion!

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You're definitely on the right track! I went through something similar a few months ago and this community really helped me navigate the whole mess. The 800-304-3107 number is clutch - just make sure you call right when they open because the system gets overloaded later in the day. One thing I'd add is to have a pen and paper ready because they'll rattle off agency contact info pretty quickly. Also, don't get discouraged if the first person you talk to at whatever agency has your debt can't help you - I had to ask to speak to a supervisor twice before I found someone who could actually see my full account and set up a payment plan. The whole process took me about 2 weeks start to finish but I got everything sorted out. You got this! šŸ’Ŗ

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