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How to correctly compute depreciation for my business assets - confused about MACRS rules

Really trying to figure out if I'm handling my depreciation calculations properly for my small business. I've got a few specific questions that have been driving me crazy. First question: Back in July 2023, I purchased some non-listed property that I applied 100% bonus depreciation to. Since I used it about 97% for business purposes, the bonus depreciation was prorated accordingly, leaving me with a remaining basis of around $350. When I look at my 2023 tax return, my software showed me the 5-year MACRS depreciation schedule for that remaining $350, but didn't actually start taking the depreciation on my 2023 return. I'm confused - should I start taking this depreciation on my 2024 return? And if so, do I use the Year 1 value or Year 2 value from the schedule? This matters because normally you'd start depreciation in the year the property was placed in service (2023). Second issue: My business use percentage for my property changes from year to year (like 97% one year, maybe 94% the next). I've been calculating the depreciation schedule based on the remaining basis after bonus depreciation, assuming 100% business use. Then each year, I prorate that year's depreciation amount by the actual business use percentage. Is this the right approach? At the end of the depreciation schedule, there will still be some basis left over due to the less-than-100% business use. What happens to that leftover basis? Finally, a lot of these depreciation deductions end up being disallowed because of passive activity loss limitations, given my current income situation. When I eventually sell the property and deal with depreciation recapture, am I correct in thinking that the disallowed depreciation doesn't actually reduce my basis? In other words, I'm not getting penalized for depreciation I couldn't take?

You've got some good questions here about depreciation calculations! Let me walk through them: For your first question, there's actually a half-year convention that applies to most 5-year MACRS property. So in the year you place property in service, you typically only get half of the first year's depreciation. That's probably why your software showed the schedule but didn't take depreciation in 2023. For 2024, you'd use the Year 2 value from the MACRS table (which is typically 32%), not Year 1 again. On your second question, your approach is correct. You calculate the full depreciation schedule based on 100% business use, then each year you multiply by that year's actual business use percentage. The leftover basis at the end (due to less than 100% business use) remains your personal basis in the property. If you sell it, that portion won't be subject to depreciation recapture since it wasn't depreciated for business use. For your passive activity loss question, you're exactly right. Only the depreciation you actually took (that was allowed) reduces your basis for depreciation recapture purposes. The disallowed depreciation doesn't count against you when you sell the property. Hope that helps clear things up!

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Thanks for the explanation but I'm still a bit confused on the half-year convention. If I placed the property in service in July 2023, does that mean for tax year 2024 I should be using the full Year 2 value or would I need to do something else? Also, what if my business use percentage drops significantly in a future year, like below 50%? Does that change how I handle depreciation going forward?

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For 2024, you would use the full Year 2 percentage from the MACRS table (typically 32% for 5-year property). The half-year convention means you get half of Year 1's percentage in the first year, then move to the full Year 2 percentage in the second year. If your business use drops below 50% in a future year, that's a significant change that could trigger recapture. When business use drops below 50%, you may have to recapture some of the depreciation benefits you previously claimed, including any bonus depreciation. You would need to recalculate as if you had used straight-line depreciation from the beginning for the years the property was predominantly for business use.

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To add to what others have said about computing depreciation: remember that the MACRS tables already have the half-year convention built in. That's why Year 1 is 20%, Year 2 is 32%, Year 3 is 19.2%, and so on for 5-year property. The percentages don't match what you'd expect (like 20% each year for 5 years) because of the half-year convention. For your situation, you absolutely start with Year 2 (32%) in your second tax year. And make sure you're tracking both your basis reduction for tax purposes AND your actual business percentage basis. They're different numbers and both matter when you eventually sell the property.

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So if the business use changes dramatically, do you need to recalculate everything from the beginning, or just apply the new percentage to that year's depreciation amount?

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You just apply the new percentage to that year's depreciation amount. You don't need to recalculate everything from the beginning unless your business use drops below 50% (which triggers special recapture rules). For example, if your MACRS percentage for Year 3 is 19.2% on an original basis of $10,000, that would be $1,920 at 100% business use. If your business use that year is 85%, you'd take $1,632 in depreciation ($1,920 × 85%). Next year, if business use changes to 90%, you just apply 90% to Year 4's MACRS percentage.

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I learned the hard way about the passive activity loss rules and depreciation. Make sure you're keeping detailed records of disallowed losses! When I sold my rental last year, I couldn't find my records showing which depreciation had been disallowed vs. allowed. The IRS assumed ALL scheduled depreciation had been taken, even though some was disallowed. Had to hire a tax pro to reconstruct 7 years of depreciation schedules and passive loss worksheets. Cost me $1,200 just for that service. Could have avoided it with better record keeping.

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What software do you recommend for tracking disallowed depreciation? I'm using TurboTax but it doesn't seem to give me a good way to see this information year over year.

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Great question about tracking disallowed depreciation! I've been using TaxAct for my rental properties and it has a pretty decent depreciation worksheet that carries forward the disallowed amounts from year to year. It shows both the calculated depreciation and what was actually allowed each year. But honestly, I also keep a separate Excel spreadsheet as backup. I track: (1) the full MACRS depreciation amount, (2) business use percentage each year, (3) calculated depreciation after business use adjustment, (4) amount actually allowed after passive loss rules, and (5) cumulative disallowed amounts carried forward. The key is making sure your tax software and your manual tracking agree each year. When you eventually sell, you'll need to prove which depreciation was actually taken vs. just calculated. The IRS doesn't care that your software "calculated" depreciation if the passive loss rules prevented you from actually taking it. Also recommend printing or saving PDFs of your depreciation schedules and Form 8582 (passive loss worksheet) each year. Digital files can get corrupted or lost, but you'll definitely need this documentation later!

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This is exactly the kind of detailed tracking I wish I had started from day one! I'm dealing with similar depreciation issues on my small business equipment and realized I've been way too casual about record keeping. Quick question - when you mention Form 8582, does that automatically carry forward the disallowed passive losses to the next year, or do you have to manually track those amounts? I've been relying on my tax software to handle the carryforward but now I'm worried it might not be capturing everything correctly, especially with my changing business use percentages each year. Also, for the Excel backup tracking, do you update it throughout the year or just at tax time? I'm thinking I should start tracking my business use percentage monthly since it fluctuates based on seasonal changes in my work.

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