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Summer Green

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Has anyone considered the W-2 wage limitation for QBI? Since OP is in the 24% bracket with joint income, they might face QBI limitations if they don't have sufficient W-2 wages. The deduction could be limited to 50% of W-2 wages paid by the business. Also for 2023, did you take any money out of the business? If so, the IRS might reclassify those as constructive dividends which wouldn't qualify for QBI. The cleanest solution might be filing an amended S-corp return showing reasonable compensation.

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Gael Robinson

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At the 24% bracket they shouldn't hit the W-2 wage limitation though, right? I thought that only kicked in at higher income levels (over $340k for married filing jointly in 2023).

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Caden Nguyen

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You're in a tricky spot, but it's not insurmountable. Since you didn't run payroll in 2023, you'll need to address this compliance issue head-on with your accountant. The IRS expects S-corp owner-employees to receive reasonable compensation through W-2 wages before taking distributions. Without proper payroll, you risk having all $71.5k treated as wages subject to employment taxes, which would eliminate the S-corp tax advantages. For QBI, the deduction applies to the business income AFTER reasonable compensation is paid. So if you can establish that $49k salary retroactively (through amended returns or other corrective measures your CPA recommends), the remaining income could potentially qualify for QBI. One silver lining: since your combined income keeps you in the 24% bracket, you're below the taxable income thresholds where QBI gets limited by W-2 wages or depreciable property. This means if you can properly separate salary from business income, you should get the full 20% QBI deduction on the qualifying portion. Document everything about your reasonable compensation analysis - industry standards, time spent, responsibilities, etc. This will be crucial for your accountant to determine the best path forward, whether that's amended returns, late payroll filings, or other compliance solutions.

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This is really helpful context! I'm curious though - if OP's accountant recommends amended returns to establish the $49k salary retroactively, wouldn't that also trigger late payroll tax penalties and interest? And would the IRS question why they're suddenly amending to add payroll that wasn't there before? Just wondering how suspicious this might look from an audit perspective, especially since they already have a payroll company set up for 2024.

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LunarLegend

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As a newcomer here, I really appreciate how clearly everyone has explained the PATH Act! I had no idea this existed and was wondering why my neighbor got her refund so much later than mine last year despite filing around the same time. One follow-up question - if someone accidentally claims EITC when they're not eligible (maybe miscalculating income), does that still trigger the PATH delay even though they'll ultimately have to pay it back? I'm asking because I want to make sure I'm calculating my business income correctly to avoid any unnecessary delays or complications.

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Edwards Hugo

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Great question! Yes, if you claim EITC on your return (even incorrectly), it will still trigger the PATH Act delay regardless of whether you're actually eligible. The IRS systems automatically flag any return with EITC or ACTC for the February 15th hold - they don't verify eligibility before applying the delay. If you later discover you claimed it incorrectly, you'd need to file an amended return (Form 1040-X) to correct it, but that doesn't change the fact that your original refund was held. To avoid this situation, double-check your business income calculations and make sure you understand the EITC income limits before filing. The IRS has worksheets and online tools to help verify eligibility before you submit your return.

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Niko Ramsey

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@LunarLegend Welcome to the community! To add to what @Edwards Hugo said, the PATH Act delay is applied automatically by IRS computer systems based solely on the presence of EITC/ACTC claims on your return - there s'no human review at this stage. Even if you re'ineligible and will eventually owe the credit back, you ll'still experience the delay. For business owners like yourself, I d'recommend using the IRS EITC Assistant tool online before filing to verify eligibility. It walks through income calculations including business profits from Schedule C. Better to spend 10 minutes checking eligibility than deal with potential delays and amended returns later!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is how the PATH Act interacts with state tax returns. While the federal PATH Act only delays federal refunds for EITC/ACTC claims, many states have their own versions of these credits (like state EITC programs). However, state processing isn't bound by the federal PATH Act timing - so you might receive your state refund weeks before your federal refund if you're affected by PATH. This can be particularly relevant for business owners in states like California, New York, or Illinois that have robust state EITC programs. It's worth checking your state's specific rules, as some states do coordinate with federal PATH timing while others process independently. Just another layer to consider when planning your cash flow around tax season!

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StarStrider

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That's a really helpful point about state vs federal processing! I hadn't considered that states might handle their EITC programs differently. Since I'm in a state with its own EITC, this could actually help with cash flow planning - getting at least part of my refund earlier while waiting for the federal portion. Do you know if there's an easy way to find out which states coordinate with federal PATH timing versus those that process independently? I'd love to research this for my specific state before next filing season.

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Avery Davis

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Had this exact same issue a few months back and it was maddening! Here's what finally got me through: First, definitely try that phone number Oliver mentioned but call right at 8am EST when they open - I got through in about 20 minutes vs the 3+ hour waits later in the day. Second, while you're waiting for ID.me to sort itself out, you can still get your transcripts other ways. The IRS2Go mobile app lets you check basic refund status without ID.me, and you can request transcripts by mail using Form 4506-T (just takes about a week). Also, if you're on Twitter/X, try messaging @IDmeSupport - their social media team actually responds way faster than email support. Hang in there, it's frustrating but you'll get through it! šŸ¤ž

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Wow, thanks for all these detailed tips! The 8am calling strategy is clutch - never thought about timing it like that but makes total sense. Just tried the @IDmeSupport Twitter route and already got an auto-reply saying they'll look into it. Way more responsive than their email black hole! Also downloading IRS2Go right now. You're a legend for laying out all these options! šŸ™Œ

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Ugh, I feel you on this! ID.me suspended my account last year right when I needed to file an extension. What finally worked was a combo approach: I called their phone support at exactly 8am EST (way shorter wait), AND I also submitted a complaint through the IRS website about being unable to access my account. The IRS complaint seemed to light a fire under ID.me because they called me back within 24 hours to resolve it. Also, while you wait, you can still check your basic refund status using the "Where's My Refund" tool on irs.gov without needing ID.me - just need your SSN, filing status, and refund amount. Hope this helps!

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TommyKapitz

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Wait, you can file a complaint with the IRS about ID.me access issues? That's brilliant! I never thought about approaching it from that angle. The idea that the IRS complaint actually got ID.me to call you back is wild - shows they definitely respond faster when there's pressure from the IRS side. Definitely trying this combo approach! Also super helpful about the "Where's My Refund" tool working without ID.me - at least I can check basic status while dealing with this mess. Thanks for sharing what actually worked! šŸ”„

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with the exact same issue - 4 years running with late K-1s from our S-corp. What's really frustrating is that I'm a 15% shareholder, so this significantly impacts my tax situation each year. After reading through everyone's experiences, I think I'm going to try a multi-pronged approach: 1) Request estimated K-1 numbers by March 1st like Leila suggested, 2) Document all my communications with the S-corp about K-1 timing as recommended by the IRS agent, and 3) Push our management to either get the accounting firm to prioritize earlier completion or find a new firm that commits to March 15th delivery. It's reassuring to know this is so widespread, but also frustrating that it seems to be accepted as "normal." Thanks everyone for sharing your solutions and experiences!

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Luca Greco

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That's a really solid plan, Charlotte! As someone who's been dealing with this same frustration, I'd add one more suggestion: consider setting up quarterly estimated tax payments if you haven't already. Since K-1 income can be unpredictable and you know the forms will be late, making conservative estimated payments throughout the year can help avoid any underpayment penalties while you're waiting for the actual numbers. I learned this the hard way in my second year when my K-1 showed much higher pass-through income than expected and I got hit with penalties even though I filed an extension. The estimated payments give you a buffer while you're implementing all those other strategies.

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I've been lurking on this thread because I'm dealing with the exact same situation, but from a slightly different angle. I'm actually an enrolled agent who has several clients with S-corp interests, and I can confirm that late K-1s are unfortunately the norm rather than the exception. From a practitioner's perspective, here's what I've observed: about 70% of the S-corps I work with miss the March 15th deadline for K-1 distribution. The main culprits are usually: 1) accounting firms that are swamped during tax season and prioritize individual returns, 2) S-corps that wait until the last minute to provide their accounting firms with year-end information, and 3) complex S-corp situations (multiple states, unusual transactions) that require extra time to sort out. What I tell my clients is to set expectations early - assume you'll file an extension and plan accordingly. Make sure you're making adequate estimated tax payments throughout the year, and if possible, try to get involved with your S-corp's management to push for earlier deadlines with their accounting team. Some of the larger accounting firms have dedicated S-corp teams that work specifically on getting these done by March 15th, but you usually pay a premium for that service. The silver lining is that the IRS is very aware this is a widespread issue, so properly filed extensions due to late K-1s are rarely scrutinized.

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Thank you for this professional perspective! As someone new to S-corp ownership (just got my first K-1 last year), it's really helpful to hear from an EA that this is genuinely widespread and not just our company being disorganized. One question - you mentioned that some larger accounting firms have dedicated S-corp teams that prioritize the March 15th deadline. Do you have any recommendations for how shareholders can identify these firms, or what questions we should ask when our S-corp is considering switching accountants? Also, when you say "premium service," are we talking about significantly higher costs, or just a modest increase for the priority handling?

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Does anyone know if the payment processors send you a receipt or confirmation? I paid through one last year but never got anything by email, just the confirmation number on the screen which I wrote down. Is that normal?

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Yes, that's normal. They show the confirmation on screen which you should save/print, but they generally don't email receipts. Make sure you write down or screenshot that confirmation number - it's your only proof of payment until the IRS processes it!

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For anyone still concerned about the 1040-V voucher - I had the same worry last year! The key thing to remember is that when you pay online with a credit card, the payment processor automatically links your payment to your tax return using your SSN and other identifying info you enter during checkout. The 1040-V is essentially just a paper trail for mailed payments. Think of it like a deposit slip at the bank - if you're doing online banking, you don't need the paper slip because the electronic transaction handles all the routing. One tip: after you make your online payment, you can check that it went through by logging into your IRS account online after a few business days. It should show up under your payment history, which gives you extra peace of mind that everything was processed correctly.

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Luca Esposito

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That's really helpful advice about checking your IRS account online afterward! I didn't even know you could do that. How long does it usually take for the payment to show up in your account history? I want to make sure I give it enough time before I start worrying that something went wrong.

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