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Yara Elias

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of timing for your gambling loss documentation. The IRS requires that you maintain a gambling diary or log contemporaneously - meaning you record your wins and losses at the time they occur, not after the fact. Since you mentioned you've "kept all your losing tickets and tracked everything meticulously," make sure your records include the date, location, type of gambling activity, names of other people present, and amounts won or lost for each session. Just having the losing tickets isn't enough - you need detailed records showing when and where each gambling activity occurred. Also, be aware that if you're audited, the IRS will want to see bank records, credit card statements, and other financial documents that corroborate your gambling activity. They'll look for patterns that match your claimed losses, like regular ATM withdrawals at casinos or consistent spending patterns. Given the size of your winnings ($180k), there's a higher chance this return could be flagged for review, so having bulletproof documentation is crucial. Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in gambling income - the cost of professional advice could save you significant headaches if the IRS comes knocking.

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Kaylee Cook

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This is excellent advice about the contemporaneous documentation requirement. I'm curious - what happens if someone has kept all their losing tickets but didn't maintain a detailed gambling diary at the time? Are they completely out of luck, or is there a way to reconstruct acceptable records after the fact? Also, you mentioned consulting with a tax professional who specializes in gambling income. How do you find someone with that specific expertise? Most CPAs I've talked to seem to have limited experience with large gambling winnings and losses. Given that the original poster has $180k in winnings, do you think the IRS automatically flags returns with gambling income above a certain threshold, or is it more about unusual patterns in the deductions claimed?

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Nick Kravitz

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Great questions! If someone only has losing tickets without a contemporaneous diary, they're not completely out of luck, but they're in a much weaker position. The IRS may still accept the tickets as evidence, but they'll want to see supporting documentation like bank records, credit card statements, or casino player's club records that show the pattern of gambling activity. You can try to reconstruct records using these financial documents, but it's much less reliable than having kept proper records from the start. For finding a CPA with gambling expertise, look for Enrolled Agents (EAs) or CPAs who advertise experience with "gaming industry" or "professional gamblers." The American Institute of CPAs has a directory where you can search by specialty. Tax attorneys who work with casinos or professional poker players are another option, though more expensive. Regarding IRS flagging, large gambling winnings often trigger automatic review because of the W-2G forms casinos and lottery commissions file. The IRS computer systems look for discrepancies between reported winnings and claimed losses. A $180k win with $180k in losses might raise questions simply because it's unusual for losses to perfectly match winnings. Having detailed, contemporaneous records becomes even more critical at these amounts.

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Something else to consider - make sure you understand the difference between "session" losses and "annual" losses when documenting everything. The IRS wants to see that your gambling losses were legitimate gambling activities, not just a paper trail created to offset winnings. For lottery specifically, keep records of when you purchased tickets, from which retailer, what games you played, and the results. If you're buying tickets regularly over time, that creates a better pattern than if you suddenly started buying thousands of dollars worth right after your big win. Also, don't forget about the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) implications. Large gambling deductions can sometimes trigger AMT calculations, which could reduce the benefit you get from itemizing your losses. With your income level ($125k job + $180k winnings), you'll definitely want to run the numbers both ways. One more practical tip - organize all your documentation before you file. Create a summary sheet showing total winnings, total losses by month, and keep everything in chronological order. If you do get audited, having organized records will make the process much smoother and show the IRS you took proper care in documenting everything.

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Sean Murphy

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This is really helpful advice about organizing documentation! I'm new to dealing with gambling winnings and this whole thread has been eye-opening. One thing I'm wondering about - you mentioned the difference between "session" losses and "annual" losses. Could you explain that a bit more? I'm not sure I understand what the IRS is looking for there. Also, regarding the AMT implications you brought up - is there a general threshold where AMT becomes a concern, or does it depend on your specific tax situation? With the amounts the original poster is dealing with, it sounds like getting professional help is definitely the way to go, but I'd love to understand the basics of when AMT might kick in. Thanks for sharing your knowledge - this stuff gets complicated fast!

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Diego Chavez

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Just wanted to chime in with my recent experience - I sold my rental condo last year after owning it for 6 years and had about $22K in suspended passive losses. The key thing I learned is that you need to make absolutely sure you're tracking the suspended losses correctly from year to year. I found discrepancies between what my tax software was showing and what was actually on my filed returns. Turns out my software wasn't properly carrying forward some of the losses from 2020. When I sold the property, I was able to claim all the accumulated passive losses against my regular income - not just against the gain from the sale. This was a huge tax benefit that I almost missed because I didn't understand the rules initially. My advice: Go back through your actual filed returns (not just what your software shows) and manually track your suspended losses year by year. Make sure the amounts match up. The IRS has all your filed returns on record, so you want to make sure you're claiming the right amount when you dispose of the property. Also, don't forget that if you had any years where you used some of the passive losses (maybe you had other passive income), those amounts reduce your suspended loss carryforward. It's easy to overlook this when calculating your total accumulated losses.

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This is really helpful advice about manually tracking the suspended losses! I'm curious - when you found discrepancies between your software and filed returns, how did you reconcile them? Did you have to file amended returns for the years where the software got it wrong, or could you just correct it going forward when you sold the property? Also, you mentioned years where you might have used some passive losses against other passive income - how do you identify those situations? I'm worried I might have missed something like that in my own tracking.

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When I found the discrepancies, I didn't need to amend prior returns - I just made sure to use the correct amounts from my actual filed returns when calculating the total suspended losses for the year of sale. The IRS systems track what was actually filed, not what your software might have shown. For identifying years where you used passive losses against other passive income, look for any years where you had rental income from other properties, or income from other passive activities like limited partnerships. On Form 8582, if line 9 (total passive income) was greater than zero in any year, you likely used some of your suspended losses. The key is to look at the actual amount of passive losses you carried forward each year - it should equal your total accumulated losses minus any that were actually used. I'd recommend going through each year's Form 8582 line by line. Look at line 16 (prior year unallowed losses) and line 22 (losses allowed for the current year). The difference between what you started with and what you carried forward tells you how much you actually used that year.

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I've been dealing with a similar situation with my rental property that I'm planning to sell next year. One thing that's been really helpful is keeping a separate spreadsheet to track my suspended passive losses year by year, outside of whatever my tax software shows. I noticed that some tax software doesn't clearly show the suspended loss carryforward amounts on the actual forms, even though they're tracking them internally. This can make it confusing when you're trying to figure out exactly how much you have accumulated. For your situation with line 1c being empty, this is actually pretty common. Many tax software programs track the suspended losses in their internal calculations but don't always populate line 1c explicitly. The losses are still being carried forward properly - they're just not displayed in that specific line. When you do sell the property, make sure to keep good documentation of your total suspended losses. I've heard stories of people missing out on thousands in deductions because they couldn't properly document their accumulated losses from prior years. The IRS will have your filed returns on record, so you want to make sure your calculations match what was actually filed. One more tip - if you're getting conflicting advice, it might be worth getting a consultation with a CPA who specializes in rental properties. The passive loss rules can be tricky, and you don't want to leave money on the table or make mistakes that could trigger an audit.

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This is excellent advice about keeping a separate spreadsheet! I'm actually in the process of preparing to sell my rental property next year too, and I've been struggling with tracking my suspended losses across different tax software over the years. Your point about line 1c being empty is really reassuring - I was worried I had been doing something wrong all these years. It sounds like as long as the losses are being carried forward in the software's internal calculations, that's what matters. The documentation aspect you mentioned is something I hadn't fully considered. Do you recommend keeping copies of all the Form 8582s from each year, or is there other specific documentation that would be helpful to have ready when I sell? I want to make sure I have everything organized before I get to that point. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to hear from someone going through a similar situation!

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As someone who's been in the tattoo industry for over a decade, I can confirm everything that's been said here about sales tax being standard across personal services. What I'd add is that many clients don't realize the tax rate can vary significantly even within the same state - it depends on your city and county too. For example, I work in a city where the combined state + local sales tax is 9.75%, but if you drive 20 minutes to the next county over, it drops to 7.25%. Some of my clients have actually asked about traveling to lower-tax areas for big pieces, though honestly the gas money usually cancels out any savings unless you're doing a really expensive full-day session. One thing that might make the tax sting less - think of it as contributing to the infrastructure that keeps you safe during your tattoo. That tax money helps fund health departments that inspect tattoo shops, emergency services if something goes wrong, and the courts that handle licensing disputes to keep the industry professional. When I frame it that way for clients, they usually feel a bit better about it. The key is just budgeting for it upfront like others have mentioned. I always quote my prices as "X amount plus applicable tax" so there are no surprises.

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QuantumQuest

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That's a really interesting perspective from someone actually working in the industry! I never thought about how the tax rates could vary so much even within the same state. The idea of driving to a different county to save on taxes is kind of funny - you're right that gas money would probably eat up most savings unless it's a huge piece. I really like how you frame the tax as contributing to safety infrastructure. That actually makes me feel way better about paying it! Knowing that part of what I'm paying helps fund the health department inspections that keep tattoo shops clean and safe puts it in a completely different light. It's not just the government taking money for no reason - it's actually helping protect me and other customers. Thanks for always being upfront with your clients about the tax too. It sounds like you're one of the good ones who make sure people know exactly what they're paying before they sit down in the chair!

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This whole conversation has been incredibly enlightening! As someone who just recently turned 18 and is thinking about getting my first tattoo, I had no idea about any of these tax implications. I was literally just planning to bring the exact amount the artist quoted me - thank goodness I found this thread before making that mistake! The explanation about why personal services are taxed while necessities often aren't really makes sense when you think about it that way. And hearing from actual industry professionals about how they handle tax collection and why it matters for safety regulations definitely changes my perspective. I'm definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool someone mentioned to figure out exactly what the tax rate will be in my area before I book anything. Better to be prepared than surprised! Plus now I know to ask artists for quotes that include tax upfront. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge - this is exactly the kind of real-world info they should teach in school but never do!

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This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm in a similar situation - just started a travel photography side business and have been nervous about taking any travel deductions. One thing I'm still unclear on: if I'm traveling somewhere primarily for personal reasons (like visiting family), but I also create some business content while there, can I deduct any portion of that trip? Or does the "primary purpose" test mean it has to be 51%+ business to qualify for any deductions at all? For example, if I'm visiting my parents for a week but spend one full day doing a photoshoot for a local business and create content about the area, is that day's expenses deductible? Or does the primarily personal nature of the overall trip disqualify everything? I've been so conservative that I haven't deducted anything, but reading everyone's experiences makes me think I might be leaving legitimate deductions on the table.

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Heather Tyson

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Great question about mixed-purpose trips! You don't need the entire trip to be 51% business to deduct specific business expenses. The "primary purpose" test applies to the overall trip's transportation costs, but you can still deduct expenses directly related to business activities even on a primarily personal trip. In your example visiting parents, you could potentially deduct: - Expenses directly related to that photoshoot day (equipment, gas to the location, maybe meals if you're working through them) - Any specific costs for creating content (additional accommodation if you stayed somewhere else for the shoot, etc.) However, you typically couldn't deduct your flight to visit family or your general lodging at your parents' house, since the primary purpose was personal. The key is connecting each expense directly to a business activity. Keep detailed records of what you spent specifically for business purposes, separate from your personal visit costs. Document the business activities just like others have mentioned - who you worked with, what content you created, how it relates to generating income. You're probably being too conservative! Many legitimate business expenses can be deducted even during primarily personal trips, as long as you can demonstrate the direct business connection and maintain proper documentation.

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Monique Byrd

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who's been running a travel blog LLC for 3 years now. The biggest mistake I see new bloggers make is thinking they can immediately deduct a luxury vacation by calling it "business research." Here's what actually worked for me: I started with shorter, lower-cost trips that were clearly business-focused. Think weekend trips to nearby cities where I could produce multiple pieces of content, interview local business owners, and document everything thoroughly. This helped establish a pattern of legitimate business activity before I attempted longer, more expensive trips. Also, don't underestimate the importance of having actual contracts or agreements in place. When I travel now, I often have pre-arranged partnerships with hotels, restaurants, or tourism boards. Having these formal business relationships makes the business purpose crystal clear and provides much stronger documentation than just saying "I'll write about it later." One practical tip: Consider the "but for" test. Would you have taken this exact trip, to these exact locations, staying in these exact places, "but for" your business? If the honest answer is that you would have taken a similar vacation anyway, you're in dangerous territory for deductions. The travel blog business model absolutely works for legitimate deductions, but it requires patience, documentation, and genuine business development - not just slapping an LLC label on your vacation plans.

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Lia Quinn

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Regarding question #3 about capital gains - be careful here. Yes, you can still claim the primary residence exclusion when you sell ($250k/$500k), BUT any depreciation you've taken must be "recaptured" and taxed at 25% when you sell, regardless of the exclusion. This catches a lot of people by surprise! So if you've taken $20k in depreciation deductions over the years, you'll owe $5k (25% of $20k) when you sell, even if the sale would otherwise be fully excluded from capital gains tax.

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Haley Stokes

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Is there any way around this depreciation recapture? Like what if I just didn't claim depreciation on my taxes - would I still have to pay this when I sell?

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Lia Quinn

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Even if you don't claim depreciation, the IRS treats it as "allowed or allowable" - meaning you're considered to have taken it even if you didn't. So you'd still face recapture tax on depreciation you could have taken but didn't. Basically, you're better off taking the depreciation deduction while you own the property - it reduces your taxes now. Just be aware and plan for the recapture tax when you sell. There's no real way around it except through certain tax-deferred exchanges (like a 1031 exchange), but those generally don't apply to primary residences and have their own complex rules.

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Savannah Vin

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One thing I'd add to all this great advice - make sure you're keeping really detailed records of everything! I learned this the hard way when I got audited on my room rental situation. Keep receipts for all your expenses (utilities, insurance, maintenance, etc.), track exactly how much rent you collect each month, and document the square footage or room allocation you're using for your deductions. I created a simple spreadsheet to track monthly rental income and expenses, and took photos of the rented rooms with measurements. Also, consider opening a separate bank account for your rental income and expenses - it makes everything much cleaner come tax time. The IRS loves good documentation, and if you ever get questioned about your deductions, having everything organized will save you a lot of headaches. The depreciation recapture issue that @b7a3f4da667a mentioned is real, but don't let it scare you away from taking the deduction. The tax savings now usually outweigh the recapture cost later, especially with inflation. Just factor it into your long-term planning!

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KingKongZilla

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This is such valuable advice about record keeping! I just started renting out a room last month and I'm already feeling overwhelmed by all the paperwork. The separate bank account idea is brilliant - I hadn't thought of that but it makes total sense for keeping everything organized. Quick question though - for the square footage documentation, do you literally measure each room? I'm trying to figure out if I should use the bedrooms only or include shared spaces like kitchen/living room in my calculations. My lease with my roommate gives them access to common areas too, so I'm not sure how to allocate those properly. Also, did you use any specific apps or just a basic spreadsheet for tracking? I'm looking for something simple but thorough enough to satisfy the IRS if needed.

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