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Connor Murphy

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Just a heads up that the W-4 form changed significantly in 2020, so if anyone's giving you advice based on the old form (which had allowances), it's outdated. The new form doesn't use allowances anymore. My HR department actually recommends using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator at www.irs.gov/W4App if you want to get your withholding as accurate as possible. It takes about 10-15 minutes to complete but gives you specific instructions for each line of the W-4 based on your personal situation.

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Yara Haddad

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This is so important! My dad tried to help me with my W-4 and kept talking about claiming "0" or "1" allowance which isn't even on the form anymore. The new version is totally different. I ended up just using the IRS estimator tool which was actually pretty easy to use.

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Hey Giovanni! I went through the exact same confusion when I started my first job last year. The advice from Fatima is spot on - for your situation, keeping it simple is definitely the way to go. Since you're making around $18,850 annually and being claimed as a dependent, you'll likely have some federal tax liability, so just filling out Step 1 and signing is perfect. Don't overthink Steps 2-4 for now. One tip that helped me: once you get your first few paychecks, check your pay stub to see how much federal tax is being withheld. If it seems like too much or too little, you can always submit a new W-4 to adjust it. Your employer should be able to process W-4 changes throughout the year if needed. Also, since you mentioned being a student - while there's nothing special to check on the W-4 itself, definitely keep track of any tuition payments or education expenses for when your parents file their taxes. Those education credits can be pretty valuable! Good luck with the new job!

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NeonNova

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This is really helpful advice! I especially like the tip about checking the pay stubs after the first few paychecks to see if the withholding looks right. That's something I wouldn't have thought of but makes total sense. Quick question - when you say I can submit a new W-4 to adjust throughout the year, is there a limit to how often I can do that? Like if I realize after a month that too much is being taken out, can I just fill out a new form and give it to HR?

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Another consideration: If you've ever claimed depreciation on property or business equipment, you need to keep those records as long as you own the asset, plus 3-7 years after you dispose of it. Found this out the hard way after selling a rental property and realizing I needed documentation from 12 years ago!

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Romeo Barrett

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Oof that's good to know! I do have some rental property stuff from years ago. Do you just keep the specific pages related to the depreciation or the entire return package for those years?

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Dmitry Smirnov

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@Savanna Franklin That s'such an important point that people often miss! For depreciation records, you ll'want to keep the entire return package for those years, not just specific pages. The IRS may want to see the full picture of your financial situation during those years, including how the depreciation connected to your overall tax situation. Also keep all the supporting documentation like purchase agreements, improvement receipts, and depreciation schedules. It s'a lot of paperwork but way better than scrambling to reconstruct records years later when you need them!

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Hunter Hampton

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As someone who just went through this exact same process, I can tell you that the 3-year rule is generally correct for most people, but definitely check if you fall into any of the exceptions mentioned by Marina. One thing I wish I'd known earlier - before you start your shredding party, make a simple spreadsheet listing what you're keeping vs. discarding and why. It sounds tedious but it's actually really helpful if you ever need to reference what you did later. Also, if you're married filing jointly, the same rules apply to your joint returns. Pro tip: Start with your oldest returns first and work forward. That way if you get tired halfway through (which you will!), you've at least cleared out the stuff that's definitely safe to toss. I found 2012-2015 paperwork that I could confidently shred, and it was SO satisfying. Just make sure you're 100% certain about the dates - when in doubt, keep it another year.

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That spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I'm definitely going to do that when I tackle my own paper mountain. Quick question though - when you say "work forward from oldest," do you mean I should be more conservative with the newer years? Like if I'm on the fence about whether something from 2019 needs to be kept, should I err on the side of keeping it since it's more recent?

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Sophia Long

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Have you looked into retirement accounts as a tax strategy? Maxing out 401ks, HSAs, and potentially setting up a SEP IRA or Solo 401k for any self-employment income would reduce your taxable income significantly. This approach is usually more straightforward and definitely beneficial compared to forming business entities that might not actually save you anything on W-2 income.

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Totally agree! We're both travel nurses and ended up saving over $15k in taxes last year just by maxing out our 401ks, HSA and doing backdoor Roth contributions. Much simpler than dealing with LLCs and all that business structure stuff.

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As a travel healthcare worker myself, I can relate to your situation! One thing I'd add that hasn't been fully covered - make sure you're maximizing ALL your legitimate business deductions for your social media/Instagram activities if you do decide to monetize it. Even without forming an LLC, if you're earning income from your Instagram (sponsorships, affiliate marketing, etc.), you can deduct expenses like your phone/internet costs (business portion), camera equipment, editing software, travel expenses when creating content, etc. These deductions reduce your taxable income dollar-for-dollar. I'd recommend starting there before worrying about business structures. Track your social media income and expenses for a few months to see if it's actually profitable enough to justify the complexity of an LLC or S-Corp. Many people jump into business formations without realizing their side hustle isn't even making enough to cover the additional costs and paperwork. Also, definitely consult with a tax professional who understands healthcare travelers - the stipend/tax home issues mentioned above are crucial and commonly misunderstood!

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This is really solid advice! I'm just starting out in the travel healthcare world and had no idea about the deduction opportunities for social media income. Quick question - do you know roughly what threshold of social media income would make it worth the hassle of forming a business entity? I'm making maybe $200-300/month right now from a few small sponsorships, but wondering at what point it becomes beneficial to formalize things. Also, totally agree on the tax professional recommendation. The stipend situation sounds way more complicated than I initially thought when I was considering travel nursing. Better to get it right from the start than deal with IRS issues later!

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Ellie Simpson

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I went through a very similar situation when I moved from the US to Germany in 2020, and I can definitely relate to the sticker shock of those professional fees! Here are a few practical steps that helped me navigate this without breaking the bank: First, take advantage of the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service - they have specialists who can help explain treaty provisions over the phone for free. I found them incredibly helpful for understanding how Article 23 of the US-Germany treaty applies to specific situations like ours. For the German side, look into local Lohnsteuerhilfeverein offices - these are non-profit tax assistance organizations that charge much lower fees (typically €200-400) compared to private Steuerberater. Many have staff who understand basic US-Germany tax coordination. One thing that saved me significant time and stress: I created a simple spreadsheet tracking all my income sources, tax payments, and relevant dates in both USD and EUR. This made it much easier to complete forms like 1116 for foreign tax credits and helped me catch potential issues early. Also, don't forget to check if your employer offers any expat tax assistance as part of your benefits package. Some German companies provide this support for international employees, even if it's not explicitly advertised. The €4000 quote you received is definitely on the high end. With some preparation and the right resources, you should be able to handle this for well under €1500 total. The first year is always the most challenging, but it gets much easier once you understand the process!

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This is incredibly practical advice, thank you! I had no idea the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service could help with treaty provisions - that's exactly the kind of free resource I need to understand the specifics of Article 23 before paying for professional help. The Lohnsteuerhilfeverein suggestion is brilliant! I've been focused on finding expensive Steuerberater when these non-profit tax assistance organizations might be perfectly adequate for my relatively straightforward situation. €200-400 is so much more reasonable than the quotes I've been getting. Your spreadsheet idea makes perfect sense. Right now I have documents scattered across different folders and it's making everything more confusing than it needs to be. Having everything tracked in both currencies with relevant dates will definitely streamline the form completion process and help me spot any issues before they become problems. I hadn't thought to check with my German employer about expat tax assistance - that's a great tip that could potentially save me significant money if they offer this benefit. I'll reach out to HR to see what support might be available. It's so encouraging to hear that you successfully navigated this for under €1500 total. The €4000 quotes were making me consider just paying whatever it takes, but your experience shows there are much more affordable options available with a bit of research and preparation. Thanks for sharing such actionable advice!

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Kristin Frank

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As someone who recently went through a similar US-Germany tax situation, I wanted to share a few additional resources that might help you save both time and money. First, check out the IRS's Interactive Tax Assistant (ITA) online tool - it has a specific section for international taxpayers that can help you determine which forms you need to file and whether you qualify for various treaty benefits. It's free and can give you a good foundation before consulting with professionals. For the German side, many universities with international programs offer free tax clinics during filing season. These are often staffed by advanced tax students supervised by professors who specialize in international tax law. The quality is surprisingly good and the cost is usually just a small donation. Regarding your rental property depreciation, make sure you document the fair market value when you converted it from personal use to rental in August 2023. You can use a combination of recent comparable sales, online valuation tools, and potentially a simple broker price opinion (BPO) which costs much less than a full appraisal but provides better documentation than just Zillow estimates. One last tip: if you end up owing taxes to both countries after applying credits, consider making estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. Germany's Vorauszahlungen system and US estimated taxes have different due dates, so plan accordingly. The €4000 quote you received is definitely excessive for your situation. With some research and the right resources, you should be able to handle this much more affordably while still ensuring compliance with both tax systems.

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These are fantastic additional resources! The IRS Interactive Tax Assistant sounds like exactly what I need to get my bearings before diving into the more complex treaty provisions. Having a free tool that can help me identify which forms I actually need will definitely save me from paying professionals to explain the basics. The university tax clinic suggestion is particularly intriguing - I hadn't thought about academic resources for international tax help. Even if it's just for basic guidance, having knowledgeable supervision at a fraction of the cost could be incredibly valuable for someone in my situation. Your point about documenting the fair market value for the rental property conversion is spot on. I've been worried about the cost of getting a formal appraisal, but a broker price opinion sounds like the perfect middle ground between Zillow estimates and a full appraisal. That should give me solid documentation without breaking the bank. The estimated payments tip is really important too - I hadn't considered that Germany's Vorauszahlungen and US estimated tax systems would have different schedules. That could definitely cause problems if I'm not planning ahead properly. It's so reassuring to hear from multiple people that the €4000 quote is unreasonable. Between all the resources shared in this thread - the university clinics, non-profit tax assistance, IRS tools, and finding properly qualified professionals - it sounds like there are much more affordable paths to getting this done correctly. Thanks for adding such practical advice to an already helpful discussion!

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Ava Thompson

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Just wanted to add my experience for anyone still waiting! I went through this exact same verification process in Wisconsin about 2 months ago. Got the letter after filing in February, submitted all my docs within 24 hours, and ended up waiting about 19 days for my refund to hit my account. A few things that might help while you're waiting: β€’ Don't stress if your portal never updates - mine showed "under review" right up until the money appeared β€’ Set up account alerts with your bank so you know immediately when the deposit comes through β€’ Keep copies of everything you submitted just in case they ask for anything else The whole process is definitely frustrating but it sounds like Wisconsin is processing these pretty consistently within 3-4 weeks. Jake, since you already submitted your docs, you're probably getting close to the finish line! The car repairs can wait a little longer - your refund should come through soon.

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Owen Devar

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Thanks for sharing your timeline! 19 days actually sounds pretty reasonable compared to some of the longer waits people have mentioned. I definitely need to set up those bank alerts - that's a great tip I hadn't thought of. I've been obsessively checking both the portal and my bank account manually every day which is probably driving me crazy for no reason. It's reassuring to hear that the portal status basically means nothing and the money just shows up eventually. Fingers crossed I'm in that 3-4 week window you mentioned!

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Mei Wong

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I'm a tax advisor and I've been helping clients navigate these Wisconsin identity verification requests all season. What you're experiencing is unfortunately very common this year - Wisconsin DOR has significantly ramped up their fraud prevention measures. A few important things to keep in mind: β€’ The 2-4 week timeline everyone is mentioning is accurate for most cases β€’ Don't panic if your portal status never changes - their system notifications are notoriously unreliable β€’ Make sure you submitted high-quality, legible photos of all documents β€’ Avoid calling unless you're past the 4-week mark - the phone lines are completely overwhelmed I've had several clients get their refunds processed in the 3-week range recently, so you're likely getting close. The key is patience at this point since you've already done everything correctly by submitting your documents promptly. Wisconsin is working through these systematically, just not with great communication to taxpayers. Your refund will come through - hang in there!

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