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Nia Thompson

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Based on my experience as a small business owner who's dealt with this exact question, I can confirm that you CAN deduct internet expenses separately from the simplified home office deduction, but you need to be smart about it. The key distinction is that the simplified method ($5/sq ft) is meant to replace the home-related overhead expenses like utilities that power the physical space. Internet service, however, is more of a business tool - especially when you're using it primarily for business activities like client calls, cloud software, and research. I've been doing this for 2 years now with no issues. Here's my approach: - I track my business vs personal internet usage monthly (roughly 65% business in my case) - I keep detailed logs of business activities that require internet - I treat it as a separate line item on Schedule C under "Other Business Expenses" The tax court case you mentioned is spot-on - it established that internet can be treated as a distinct business expense. Just make sure your business percentage is reasonable and well-documented. With your 60% business use and $85/month bill, you'd be looking at about $612 annually in deductions, which is definitely worth the effort to track properly. Pro tip: Set up a simple spreadsheet to log your business internet activities monthly. Makes tax time much easier and gives you solid documentation if questioned.

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Liv Park

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was looking for! Thank you for sharing your real-world experience. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up to track my business internet activities monthly. Quick question: when you say you log "business activities that require internet," do you track specific hours/time, or do you focus more on the type of activities? I'm wondering if I should be timing my video calls and research sessions, or if a more general approach (like "3 client calls, 2 hours research, cloud backup") would be sufficient documentation. Also, have you ever had any pushback from your CPA or tax preparer about taking both deductions? I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for problems down the road.

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Max Reyes

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Great question! For my tracking, I focus more on the type and frequency of activities rather than precise timing. My monthly log looks something like: **Business Internet Activities:** - Client video calls: 12 sessions (avg 45 min each) - Cloud software usage: Daily (QuickBooks, project management tools) - File uploads/downloads: 15-20 large files - Business research: ~8 hours total - Email and communication: Daily business correspondence I don't time every single activity down to the minute - that would be overwhelming. Instead, I estimate reasonable time blocks and focus on showing a clear pattern of substantial business use. My CPA actually suggested this approach after I first brought her my detailed time logs. She said the IRS cares more about demonstrating legitimate business use with reasonable documentation than having perfect minute-by-minute tracking. No pushback at all from my tax preparer - she was actually the one who first suggested I could separate internet from the simplified home office deduction! She mentioned that as long as I can show substantial business use (which 60% definitely qualifies) and have consistent documentation, it's a perfectly defensible position. The key is being able to tell a coherent story about why your internet is primarily a business tool rather than just a household utility. Your use case sounds very similar to mine, so you should be in good shape!

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Oliver Weber

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a freelance consultant who's been wrestling with this exact question for months. Reading through everyone's experiences, especially the real-world examples from Nia and Max, has given me the confidence to move forward with deducting my internet separately. I've been overly conservative and probably left money on the table by not taking this deduction. My internet usage is probably 70% business (constant video calls, large file transfers for client deliverables, and cloud-based project management), so I'm definitely going to start tracking this properly. One thing I'd add for other newcomers reading this: the consensus seems to be that documentation is everything. It's not enough to just estimate your business percentage - you need to be able to show WHY that percentage makes sense for your specific business activities. Starting next month, I'm going to implement Max's tracking approach with a simple monthly log of business internet activities. Better late than never! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly why I love this community. Real people sharing real solutions to common tax headaches.

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CosmicCruiser

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This is really encouraging to read! I'm in almost the exact same situation - my mom has been watching my two kids while my spouse and I work, and I have the full $5,000 in my Dependent Care FSA that I originally planned to use for daycare before everything changed. One question I haven't seen addressed yet: does it matter that my mom lives with us? She moved in earlier this year to help with the kids, but I'm wondering if the fact that she's residing in our home affects the legitimacy of paying her for childcare services through the FSA. I know she still qualifies as an eligible provider since she's not our dependent, but I want to make sure the living arrangement doesn't complicate things. Also, for those who have done this - how did you handle documentation for the care provided? Did you need to specify exact hours each day, or was a general "weekday childcare during work hours" sufficient for your FSA administrators? Thanks for all the detailed responses - this community has been incredibly helpful in figuring out how to navigate this properly!

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Hassan Khoury

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The fact that your mom lives with you shouldn't affect the legitimacy of using your Dependent Care FSA to pay her - the IRS rules focus on whether she qualifies as an eligible provider (which she does since she's not your dependent) rather than her living arrangements. However, since she's living in your home, you'll want to be extra careful about documentation to clearly establish this as a business arrangement rather than just providing financial support to a household member. I'd recommend being more detailed in your written agreement - specify the hours she's responsible for childcare, what her duties include, and make it clear these are payments for services rendered, not room and board. For documentation, most FSA administrators accept general descriptions like "weekday childcare during parent work hours" along with the date range. You don't typically need to log exact daily hours unless specifically requested. The key is showing consistent, ongoing care during times when you need it for work purposes. One additional consideration with her living in your home - make sure you're both clear on whether this income affects any other tax situations, like if she's helping with household expenses or if there are any implications for claiming head of household status or other deductions on either of your tax returns.

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Your plan sounds perfectly legitimate! I've actually done this exact same thing with my father-in-law who watches our kids during the week. The IRS rules are clear that as long as the care provider isn't your spouse, the child's other parent, or your dependent under 19, they qualify for FSA reimbursement. A few practical tips from my experience: **Set up a simple payment schedule** - I pay my father-in-law bi-weekly and submit FSA claims monthly. This creates a good paper trail and makes the tax impact more manageable for him throughout the year. **Prepare for the tax conversation** - The $5,000 will be taxable income for your mom, and she'll likely owe self-employment tax (15.3%) plus regular income tax. We calculated this upfront so there were no surprises come tax season. **Keep it professional** - Even though it's family, create a basic written agreement outlining the care schedule, payment terms, and her responsibilities. This helps demonstrate it's a legitimate childcare arrangement if your FSA administrator has questions. **Submit documentation properly** - You'll need her SSN, full name, and address for the FSA reimbursement forms. Most administrators don't require detailed daily logs - a general "weekday childcare during work hours" with date ranges is typically sufficient. This is honestly a win-win situation - you get to use your FSA funds as intended, your mom gets compensated for her time, and your kids get quality care from someone who loves them. Just make sure you both understand the tax implications upfront!

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Ava Williams

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This is such helpful advice! I'm new to both FSAs and navigating family childcare arrangements, so hearing from people who have actually done this successfully is really reassuring. Your point about setting up a bi-weekly payment schedule is smart - I hadn't considered how the timing of payments might affect both the paper trail and the tax impact. One follow-up question: when you created your written agreement with your father-in-law, did you include specific details like meal preparation or light housekeeping that might happen during childcare, or did you keep it focused strictly on childcare duties? I'm trying to figure out how detailed to get without overcomplicating things. Also, did your FSA administrator process the claims pretty quickly, or should I expect some delays since it's a family member providing the care?

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Maya Lewis

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add one more consideration that could be really important for your situation. Since your dad is the annuitant on both contracts and you mentioned he has substantial medical bills, you should also ask the insurance company about any "nursing home" or "long-term care" provisions in your annuities. Many annuity contracts written 8+ years ago included provisions that allow penalty-free access to funds if the annuitant requires long-term care or is confined to a nursing home for a certain period (usually 90+ days). Even if your dad's current medical situation doesn't involve long-term care, these provisions sometimes extend to other qualifying medical expenses or disabilities. The key advantage is that these provisions often waive the 10% early withdrawal penalty entirely, while still allowing the annuitant to access the funds. You'd still owe ordinary income tax on the earnings, but eliminating that 10% penalty could save you several thousand dollars on the amounts you need to withdraw. Also, I'd suggest asking about the specific withdrawal order from your contracts. Some annuities use FIFO (first in, first out) which means your initial contributions come out first before any taxable earnings. Others use a pro-rata method. Understanding this could help you calculate exactly how much of any withdrawal would be taxable vs. just return of principal. Given all the great suggestions in this thread, it sounds like you have a solid plan to explore all options with your insurance company before making any decisions. The fact that your dad is both annuitant and beneficiary really does create some unique possibilities that standard ownership transfer scenarios don't address.

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Alana Willis

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This is such valuable information about the long-term care provisions! I had no idea that annuities from 8+ years ago might have these kinds of built-in protections. The penalty waiver alone could save us thousands if Dad's situation qualifies. The FIFO vs. pro-rata withdrawal order is something I definitely need to understand better too. If our annuities use FIFO and we can access some of the original principal first, that could significantly reduce the immediate tax impact of any withdrawals we need to make. I'm starting to feel much more optimistic about this situation after reading everyone's suggestions. What seemed like an impossible choice between helping Dad and avoiding a tax disaster is starting to look like it might have some workable solutions. I'm going to compile all these questions and call the insurance company Monday with a comprehensive list: - Beneficiary acceleration provisions - Terminal/chronic illness riders - Long-term care provisions - Loan options - Withdrawal order methodology - Exact cost basis calculations Even if we don't find a perfect solution, at least we'll know we explored every possible option before making any decisions. This community has been incredibly helpful - thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences!

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This has been such a comprehensive discussion with really practical advice! As someone who works with annuities regularly, I wanted to add one final consideration that could be crucial for your dad's situation. Since you mentioned these are 8-year-old contracts with significant growth, make sure to ask your insurance company about any "free withdrawal" provisions. Many annuities allow you to withdraw up to 10% of the contract value annually without surrender charges, and sometimes these free withdrawals have more favorable tax treatment or can be structured to minimize the taxable portion. If your dad needs, say, $25,000 total and your combined annuities are worth around $115,000, you might be able to take advantage of the 10% free withdrawal from each contract ($11,500 combined) this year and another 10% early next year. This could spread the tax impact across two years while potentially avoiding surrender charges entirely. Also, given all the medical expense documentation you'll be gathering, don't forget that your dad might be able to deduct qualified medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of his AGI on his own tax return. If he receives taxable distributions from the annuities but can also claim large medical deductions, the net tax impact might be much less severe than initially calculated. You've got a solid plan for Monday's call with the insurance company. The key is getting all the facts about your specific contracts before making any moves. Good luck, and I hope you find a solution that helps your dad without creating too much of a tax burden for your family!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I inherited a rental property from my parents about 6 years ago and have been taking depreciation since then. My question is: when I sell, do I only have to recapture the depreciation I've personally taken since inheriting it, or does the depreciation my parents took before I inherited it also carry over? I know the basis stepped up when I inherited it, but I'm not clear on how that affects the depreciation recapture calculation. Also, does anyone know if there are different rules for inherited property regarding the holding period for long-term capital gains treatment? I've heard conflicting information about whether inherited property automatically qualifies as long-term regardless of how long you've actually held it. Would really appreciate any insights from folks who have dealt with inherited rental properties!

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Great question about inherited property! You're in luck with the depreciation recapture issue - you only have to recapture the depreciation YOU'VE taken since inheriting the property, not what your parents took. The stepped-up basis you received when you inherited essentially "wiped clean" any depreciation recapture liability that had built up during your parents' ownership. So in your case, you'd only be looking at recapturing the 6 years of depreciation you've claimed since inheriting it, which should make your tax situation much more manageable than if you had to deal with potentially decades of prior depreciation. You're also correct about the holding period - inherited property automatically receives long-term capital gains treatment regardless of how long you've actually held it. This is a nice benefit that can save you from higher short-term capital gains rates if you sell relatively soon after inheriting. Just make sure you have good documentation of the stepped-up basis value from when you inherited the property (usually the fair market value at the date of death), as this will be crucial for calculating your actual gain when you sell. The IRS can be particular about having proper documentation for inherited property basis.

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NebulaNinja

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Building on all the excellent advice here, I wanted to share a specific scenario that might help illustrate the calculations. I recently sold a rental property with a similar depreciation situation. My property: Purchased for $200K, took $65K in depreciation over 10 years, sold for $320K. Here's how the tax breakdown worked: - Total gain: $320K - ($200K - $65K) = $185K - Unrecaptured Section 1250 gain: $65K (taxed at 25%) - Remaining long-term capital gain: $120K (taxed at 0%, 15%, or 20% based on income) The key thing I learned is that you need to be very precise about your adjusted basis calculation. Don't forget to add back any capital improvements you made over the years - these increase your basis and reduce your overall gain. I had added a new roof ($12K) and HVAC system ($8K) that I initially forgot to include. Also, if you're in a high-tax state like I am (New York), factor in state taxes early in your planning. My effective rate on that $65K ended up being about 34% (25% federal + 8.82% NY state), which was a significant chunk of cash I needed to set aside. One last tip: consider estimated tax payments if this sale will create a large tax liability. You don't want to get hit with underpayment penalties on top of everything else!

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Sophie Duck

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This is such a helpful real-world example! Your breakdown really clarifies how the calculations work in practice. I appreciate you mentioning the capital improvements aspect - I've been tracking my major improvements but wasn't sure how much detail I needed to keep. Quick question about the estimated tax payments you mentioned - do you need to make quarterly payments throughout the year even if the property sale happens late in the year? I'm planning to sell in Q4 of 2025, so I'm wondering if I should start making estimated payments earlier in the year to avoid underpayment penalties, or if I can just make one large payment when I file my return. Also, thanks for sharing the state tax impact - that 34% effective rate really drives home how much the state taxes can add to the burden. I need to run similar numbers for my state to get a realistic picture of the total tax cost.

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Maya Patel

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Another schedule C question - Does anyone know if TurboTax handles this "at risk" question automatically? I'm trying to decide which tax software to use for my freelance work.

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TurboTax does ask this question during the Schedule C section, but it doesn't really explain it well. I ended up having to Google it anyway. I've heard FreeTaxUSA explains it a bit better and is cheaper too.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I went through this same confusion last year! The "at risk" question is basically asking whether you could personally lose the money you invested in your business. For your photography business, since you spent $3,500 of your own money on equipment and software, that investment is "at risk" - if your business fails, you lose that money. You'd select "all investments are at risk." The "some investments not at risk" option is for very specific situations like non-recourse loans (where you can't be held personally liable beyond specific collateral) or certain complex partnership arrangements. These are pretty rare for solo freelancers. Don't overthink it - as a sole proprietor who invested your own cash, you're almost certainly in the "all investments at risk" category. The IRS language makes it sound scarier than it actually is!

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