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Laura Lopez

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This is such a timely post for me! I was just selected to be on The Price is Right next month and I've been wondering about the tax implications. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly eye-opening. A couple of follow-up questions based on what I've learned: 1. For those who've been on game shows, do they typically give you any tax guidance during the taping process, or do they just hand you the 1099-MISC later and leave you to figure it out? 2. I'm seeing conflicting information about estimated quarterly taxes. If I win something substantial (like a car worth $30K+), will I need to make estimated tax payments for the current year, or can I just handle it all when I file my return? 3. Has anyone had success negotiating with the show about the fair market value they assign to prizes? Some of the values mentioned here seem pretty inflated compared to what you could actually buy the same items for. Thanks for sharing all your experiences - this thread is going to save me from making some expensive mistakes!

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Lucas Bey

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Welcome to the game show world! I can answer some of your questions from my experience: 1. Most shows provide minimal tax guidance during taping. They'll have you sign paperwork acknowledging the tax implications, but don't expect detailed advice. The 1099-MISC usually arrives in January with little explanation. I'd recommend bringing a list of tax questions to ask the production staff right after your taping. 2. Yes, if you win something substantial like a $30K car, you'll likely need to make estimated quarterly payments to avoid penalties. The IRS expects you to pay as you earn, not wait until April. I learned this the hard way and got hit with underpayment penalties. Consider making a payment for the quarter you win to be safe. 3. I've never heard of anyone successfully negotiating the fair market value after it's been set. The shows usually have appraisers determine these values, and they tend to use full retail prices rather than realistic market values. Your best bet is the cash negotiation that was mentioned earlier, but that has to happen before you accept the prizes. Good luck on your taping! The experience is amazing even with the tax complications. Just be prepared and maybe set aside 25-30% of your winnings' value immediately for taxes.

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Just to add another perspective - I won on Jeopardy! two years ago and can confirm everything said here about game show winnings being treated as ordinary income, not gambling income. One thing I'd emphasize is to start setting money aside immediately if you win big prizes. I won $45,000 in cash and some smaller prizes, and even though they withheld taxes from the cash winnings, I still owed about $8,000 more when I filed. The withholding rate they use (usually 24%) often isn't enough if the winnings push you into a higher tax bracket. Also, for anyone going on shows in the future - ask about the "5-day rule" for California. If you're a non-resident who wins on a show filmed in CA, you might be able to avoid California state taxes if you leave the state within 5 days of winning. It's worth looking into depending on your situation and the value of what you win. The whole experience was incredible though, and honestly the taxes are just part of the deal. Better to win and pay taxes than not win at all!

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This is really helpful information, especially about the California 5-day rule! I had no idea that was even a possibility. Just to clarify - does that mean if you're from out of state and win on a California-filmed show, you could potentially avoid owing California state taxes entirely just by leaving within 5 days? That could be a significant savings depending on the prize value. Also, your point about the 24% withholding not being enough is something I hadn't considered. I'm assuming that's because game show winnings get added on top of your regular income, which could bump you into the next tax bracket? Did you end up having to make estimated payments during the year, or were you able to just handle the extra amount owed when you filed your return? Thanks for sharing your Jeopardy! experience - it's great to hear from someone who actually went through this process successfully!

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I went through this exact situation about 6 months ago and completely understand the panic! The CP81 notice is scary when you first get it, but it's actually pretty routine. Here's what worked for me: First, definitely check your TurboTax account for the acceptance confirmation like others mentioned. But also check your email - TurboTax usually sends a confirmation email with your acceptance date and confirmation number. This is golden evidence that you filed. One thing I learned is that the IRS systems sometimes have glitches where returns get "stuck" in processing even though they were successfully transmitted. My return was actually in their system the whole time, but flagged for manual review which delayed the processing. I ended up responding by mail with my TurboTax acceptance confirmation and a simple cover letter stating "I electronically filed my 2023 tax return on [date] as evidenced by the enclosed confirmation. Please update your records accordingly." Sent it certified mail and got a letter about 4 weeks later confirming everything was resolved. The key is responding quickly and providing clear proof of filing. Don't ignore it hoping it will go away - that's when you can run into real problems with substitute returns and penalties. But if you filed legitimately and have proof, this should resolve pretty smoothly once you respond.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing. The part about returns getting "stuck" in processing even though they were transmitted makes a lot of sense - I was wondering how this could happen if TurboTax showed everything went through successfully. Your approach with the simple cover letter sounds perfect. I've been overthinking what to write in my response, but keeping it straightforward like you did seems like the way to go. Did you include any other documentation besides the TurboTax acceptance confirmation, or was that sufficient on its own? Also, 4 weeks for resolution doesn't sound too bad considering all the horror stories I've heard about IRS response times. Definitely gives me hope that this will get sorted out without too much drama.

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Paolo Rizzo

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@Aliyah Debovski The TurboTax acceptance confirmation was actually all I needed to include! I kept it simple because the confirmation itself contains all the key information - the filing date, confirmation number, and proof that the IRS accepted the transmission. I did make sure to include a copy of the actual CP81 notice with my response though, just so they could easily match up my response with the notice they sent. Some people also include a copy of their tax return, but my tax professional told me that wasn t'necessary since the acceptance confirmation proves filing. The 4-week timeframe was actually faster than I expected! I think keeping the response clear and providing exactly what they needed helped speed things along. The IRS just needed to verify that yes, I did file, and here s'the proof. Once they had that, it was pretty straightforward for them to update their records and close out the notice.

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Andre Moreau

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I just want to echo what others have said about not panicking - I know it's easier said than done when you get that intimidating IRS letter! I went through a CP81 situation about a year ago and it really does resolve much more smoothly than you'd expect. One additional tip I'd suggest: if you're having trouble locating your TurboTax confirmation, check your spam/junk email folder. I spent hours looking through my regular inbox before finding the acceptance email buried in spam. TurboTax confirmations sometimes get flagged by email filters. Also, when you do respond (whether by mail or online), make sure to keep the CP81 notice itself in a safe place even after you resolve this. I needed to reference mine months later when dealing with a state tax issue, and having that documentation was really helpful for proving the timeline of events. The whole process taught me to be much better about keeping tax records organized. Now I create a dedicated folder each year for all confirmations, notices, and correspondence. It's one of those things you don't think about until you need it!

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Might be a dumb question but does taking online classes from your home country count as being "present in the US" for the substantial presence test? I was stuck in my home country during part of 2022 due to COVID but still enrolled in US university online.

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Dylan Cooper

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No, online classes from your home country definitely don't count as physical presence. The substantial presence test is strictly about your physical location - you actually need to be on US soil for those days to count. Even if you were taking classes from a US university, if your body wasn't in the US, those days don't count.

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NebulaNomad

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Just wanted to add some clarity about the 5-year exempt period for F-1 students since there seems to be some confusion in the thread. The 5 calendar years start counting from the first year you were present in the US on F-1 status, regardless of how many days you were actually here. So for the original poster who first entered in 2019, your exempt years would be 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. This means 2024 would be your first year where days count toward the substantial presence test. However, since you were only present for about 240 days in 2024 (and this is your first countable year), you likely don't meet the substantial presence test yet and would still file as a non-resident alien using Form 1040NR. One important thing to remember: even as a non-resident alien, your US-source income (like your on-campus job) is still fully taxable. You'll report this on Form 1040NR, and depending on your home country's tax treaty with the US, you might qualify for certain exemptions or reduced tax rates.

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Dylan Cooper

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This is super helpful clarification! I'm also an F-1 student and was getting confused about when the 5-year clock starts ticking. So just to confirm my understanding - if someone first entered the US on F-1 status in August 2021, their exempt years would be 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025, meaning 2026 would be their first year where days actually count toward the substantial presence test? And it doesn't matter if they left the US and came back multiple times during those years - it's still based on those 5 calendar years?

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Just to clarify the main question here - yes, if you file and owe taxes, you absolutely have to pay them regardless of whether filing was required or not. The IRS doesn't care if you filed voluntarily - once you submit that return, you're locked into whatever tax liability it shows. However, given your income level, you're likely looking at owing around $1,500-1,700 in self-employment tax (as Isabella mentioned), but you'll probably qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit which could reduce or eliminate what you owe. Plus you can deduct business expenses to lower your taxable income. My advice: definitely file since you're required to anyway (that $400 self-employment threshold applies to you), but make sure you claim all possible deductions and credits. You might be surprised and end up with a refund instead of owing money!

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Nia Harris

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This is really helpful clarification! I was getting confused by all the different thresholds and requirements. So just to make sure I understand - even though I made less than $12,000, the $400 self-employment rule means I have to file anyway, and if the return shows I owe money, I can't just ignore it because I filed voluntarily? That's actually kind of reassuring in a weird way - at least now I know there's no loophole I'm missing. And if I might actually get money back with the EITC and other credits, then filing doesn't seem so scary anymore. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!

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Exactly right! You've got it. Once you file that return, the IRS treats it as official regardless of whether you were required to file or not. There's no "take-backsies" just because you filed voluntarily. But honestly, with your income level and the various credits available, you're probably going to come out ahead by filing. The EITC alone could cover most or all of your self-employment tax, and if you have any legitimate business expenses (home office, equipment, supplies, etc.), those deductions will help too. The key is making sure you capture all your deductions and credits. Keep good records of any business expenses - even small things like office supplies, software subscriptions, or mileage can add up. And definitely look into that Earned Income Tax Credit that Anastasia mentioned!

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Chloe Zhang

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation last year! I made about $10,800 from freelance work and was also confused about the filing requirements. Here's what I learned: Yes, you absolutely have to file because of the $400 self-employment threshold, and yes, you have to pay whatever taxes you owe once you file. BUT - and this is important - make sure you're taking advantage of every deduction and credit available to you. I ended up owing about $1,400 in self-employment tax, but after claiming the Earned Income Tax Credit ($538 for my situation), deducting my home office space, and claiming legitimate business expenses like my laptop and internet costs, I actually got a small refund of $127! The biggest mistake I almost made was not keeping track of my business expenses throughout the year. Even small things like printer paper, pens, and software subscriptions added up to over $800 in deductions. Start gathering those receipts now - you'll be surprised how much you can legitimately deduct. Don't let the fear of owing money keep you from filing. With your income level and the credits available, you might actually come out ahead!

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NebulaNomad

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This is exactly the kind of real-world example I needed to hear! It's so reassuring to know that someone in almost the same situation actually ended up with a refund instead of owing money. I've been so focused on the potential tax bill that I wasn't really thinking about all the business expenses I could deduct. Looking back at this year, I definitely have software subscriptions, my home internet (since I work from home), office supplies, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. Quick question - for the home office deduction, do you have to have a dedicated room, or can it be like a corner of your bedroom where you work? My setup isn't super formal but it's definitely my consistent workspace. Thanks for sharing your actual numbers too - makes this whole thing feel way more manageable!

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Yara Nassar

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Great question about the home office! You don't need a dedicated room - a corner of your bedroom absolutely counts as long as you use that space regularly and exclusively for work. The key word is "exclusively" - so if you have a desk setup that you only use for business, that qualifies even if it's in a shared room. For the simplified method (which is usually easier), you can deduct $5 per square foot up to 300 square feet. So if your work area is like 6 feet by 8 feet (48 square feet), you could deduct $240. You just measure the space you actually use for work - your desk area, chair space, maybe a small filing area. I used the simplified method and it was super straightforward. Just measured my little corner workspace (about 64 square feet) and got a $320 deduction. Way easier than trying to calculate the percentage of utilities, rent, etc. that the actual expense method requires. Definitely start tracking everything now for next year too - take photos of your workspace, keep receipts for any office supplies or equipment, and maybe start a simple spreadsheet or use an app to track business expenses as they happen. Future you will thank present you!

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add something that might help with the transcript confusion - the IRS actually has a pretty detailed publication (Pub 5307) that explains how to read wage and income transcripts. It maps out exactly what each code means and which boxes on your W-2 they correspond to. What really helped me when I was in a similar situation was printing out both the transcript and this publication, then going line by line to make sure I understood what each entry meant before entering anything on my tax forms. The transcript codes can be really confusing (like "WH-FIT" for federal income tax withheld), but once you have the decoder it becomes much clearer. You can download Pub 5307 directly from the IRS website. It's only about 6 pages long but it saved me from making some costly mistakes when I was trying to file with just my transcript. Just thought this might be useful for anyone else dealing with transcript interpretation issues!

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Paolo Romano

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This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea the IRS published a guide specifically for reading transcripts. I've been staring at mine for hours trying to figure out what "WH-MCARE" and "WH-SS" meant - now I know those are Medicare and Social Security withholdings. Just downloaded Pub 5307 and you're right, it's like having a translation key. For anyone else struggling with the transcript codes, this publication breaks down every single abbreviation and shows you exactly where each piece of information would appear on an actual W-2. Definitely wish I had found this earlier in the process! Thanks for sharing this resource.

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As someone who's dealt with this exact situation multiple times, I want to emphasize that you're definitely on the right track with the wage and income transcript - it's completely acceptable for federal filing and contains all the key information the IRS needs. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that if you're really pressed for time and can't get your state withholding information sorted out, you might want to consider filing your federal return first using the transcript data, then handling your state return separately once you track down that information. Many states have later deadlines than the federal April 15th deadline anyway. Also, for future reference, I'd highly recommend setting up an online account with your state's tax agency if they offer one. Many states now provide digital access to your withholding information similar to how the IRS provides transcripts. It's one of those things that seems obvious in hindsight but can really save you in situations like this. The main thing is don't panic - you have several good options here and the IRS understands that sometimes documents get lost. The transcript route is legitimate and widely used by tax professionals when clients are missing their W-2s.

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Romeo Quest

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This is such great advice about filing federal and state separately! I'm actually in a very similar boat to the original poster - lost my W-2 and have been stressing about the deadline. I managed to get my wage and income transcript but was getting overwhelmed trying to solve everything at once. Your point about state deadlines being different is something I hadn't considered. I just checked and my state (California) actually has until April 15th too, but knowing I can tackle them as separate problems makes this feel much more manageable. I'm definitely going to set up that state tax agency account you mentioned once I get through this year's filing. It's one of those "why didn't I think of that sooner" moments. Thanks for the reassurance that the transcript route is legitimate - I was worried I was somehow doing something wrong by not having the physical W-2.

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