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Hey everyone, I need some tax advice. My husband and I run a few small businesses that together bring in about $1.2 million annually. We have three young children (ages 7, 5, and 4). Recently, we met with a financial advisor who suggested we should be paying our kids through one of our businesses by purchasing their photo/image rights and then using those images for our company website and social media marketing. The advisor claimed this was a legitimate business expense and tax strategy, but I want to make sure this is actually legal before proceeding. If it is legit, what would be a reasonable amount to pay for these digital image rights? I don't want to do anything that would trigger IRS concerns. Has anyone done something similar or have knowledge about this type of arrangement? Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
I'm about three months into my new job at a local car dealership and I've noticed something weird on my last couple of paychecks. There's this deduction called "customer item" that's been taken out. The first time it was about $47 and this time it's almost $80. When I tried googling what this might be, some results suggest it's related to money that customers owe to the business. This doesn't make any sense to me though. Why would I be responsible for covering what customers owe the dealership? I'm just a sales associate, not a manager or owner with profit sharing. I've never been told I'd be penalized for customer debts or anything like that. Has anyone else who works in car sales ever seen something like this? Should I be concerned? I want to ask my manager about it but thought I'd check here first to see if this is actually normal in the industry or if something shady is going on.
If you're in sales at a dealership, check if you've had any recent chargebacks. When customers cancel extended warranties or gap insurance after the sale (they have a window to do this), the commission gets pulled back from whoever sold it. At our dealership this shows as "customer item" on our checks.
Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't sold any extended warranties that I know of, but I did have a couple customers who got gap insurance. Do you know how long that cancellation window typically is? And would they typically tell me if a customer cancelled, or does it just show up as a deduction?
The cancellation window varies by product and state, but typically ranges from 30-90 days for most F&I products like gap insurance. Some states allow cancellations up to a year in certain circumstances. Unfortunately, most dealerships don't proactively inform salespeople about cancellations. The F&I department processes the cancellation, accounting adjusts the commission structure, and payroll just applies the deduction. It's a terrible system that leaves salespeople confused. This is definitely something to ask your finance manager about - they should be able to link that specific deduction to a customer's canceled product.
look at ur employee handbook bro. my dealer takes $$ out when we damage cars or if a customer complains about something i did. could be that maybe?
I'm looking for some smart ways to reduce my tax burden without getting myself into more debt or monthly payments. So far, I know that I can put money into an educational investment account (like a 529 plan I think?) and deduct that from my state income taxes. I've also heard that buying a bigger house could give me more tax deductions through the mortgage interest, but honestly, I'm not interested in taking on a bigger monthly payment right now. My current housing situation is manageable, and I don't want to stretch myself thin just for a tax break. What other strategies are out there for legally minimizing taxes without creating new financial obligations? I'm particularly interested in retirement accounts, investment strategies, or other deductions I might be missing. My income is around $85,000 and I'm in my mid-30s if that helps. Would appreciate any insights from those who've successfully reduced their tax burden!
Don't forget about municipal bonds! The interest is often exempt from federal taxes and sometimes state taxes too if you buy bonds issued in your state. They typically have lower returns than corporate bonds, but the tax advantages can make up for it depending on your tax bracket.
Are these easy to buy? Do you just get them through a regular brokerage account or is there some special process? Always been confused about bonds in general.
You can buy municipal bonds through most regular brokerage accounts like Fidelity, Vanguard, Charles Schwab, etc. No special process needed. Many people find it easier to invest in municipal bond funds rather than individual bonds - they provide diversification and are more liquid. Just be aware that while the interest is tax-exempt, if you sell the bonds before maturity at a profit, you may owe capital gains tax on that profit. Also, some municipal bond interest can trigger the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) if you're subject to it, so look for bonds specifically labeled as "AMT-free" if that's a concern for you.
Has anyone tried Series I Savings Bonds? The interest is exempt from state and local taxes, and you can defer federal taxes until you cash them out. With inflation lately they've been paying decent rates too.
I bought some last year! Really easy through TreasuryDirect.gov though their website looks like it's from 1997 lol. You can put in up to $10k per person per year. The interest rate adjusts with inflation every 6 months. Definitely a good place to park some money that's safe from both market fluctuations AND taxes.
I opened my Roth IRA back in 2022 and have put in about $24k total since then. Recently in late 2024, I had some unexpected car repairs come up and needed to take out around $8k. When I first opened the account, the advisor specifically told me I could withdraw my CONTRIBUTIONS (not earnings) anytime without penalties or taxes. I was like, great, emergency fund if I absolutely need it. Fast forward to now, I'm doing my 2024 taxes and my accountant is telling me I owe taxes on this withdrawal because my Roth IRA hasn't been open for 5 years yet. He's pointing to my 1099-R form that has some distribution code on it. Now I'm totally confused because everything I've read online says you can take out contributions tax-free anytime. Is my tax guy right? Do I really need to wait 5 years before touching even my contributions? Or is he mixing up the rules for earnings vs contributions? I swear I've seen multiple sources saying contributions can come out anytime tax-free, but now I'm doubting everything I thought I knew about Roth IRAs.
I'm surprised your tax person doesn't know this. It's Roth IRA 101. You absolutely CAN withdraw your contributions (not earnings) at any time without penalty or tax. That's one of the main benefits of a Roth IRA vs Traditional! The issue is probably that your 1099-R doesn't specify whether it's contributions or earnings being withdrawn. The IRS assumes it's proportional unless you document otherwise. Make sure you file Form 8606 with your taxes to properly indicate these were contribution withdrawals.
What's Form 8606? My tax software never prompts me for this when I enter my Roth info. Is this something I need to fill out separately?
Form 8606 is used to report nondeductible contributions to traditional IRAs and distributions from Roth IRAs. Most tax software should prompt for it when you enter a 1099-R for a Roth distribution, but sometimes you need to specifically look for it or indicate you want to file it. It's important because it helps track your "basis" (the amount you've contributed) in your IRAs, which determines the taxable portion of future distributions. For Roth withdrawals, it helps document that you're taking out contributions (not taxable) rather than earnings (potentially taxable). If your software doesn't automatically include it, you can usually find it in a forms search and add it manually.
Quick tip for the future - keep meticulous records of all your Roth IRA contributions by year! I've been doing this in a simple spreadsheet since I opened mine in 2010. Makes it super easy to prove to the IRS that withdrawals are from contributions. My brokerage's year-end statements don't clearly track cumulative contributions vs. earnings, so having my own records has saved me several times. Just note the date, amount, and tax year for each contribution. Takes 30 seconds each time but saves major headaches later.
My business is currently shopping around for transfer pricing services, and CrossBorder Solutions is one of the firms we're considering. They've given us a pretty competitive quote compared to other providers, and their promise of unlimited service is really appealing to us. The problem is, I can't seem to find ANY reviews from actual clients who've used them. I've looked everywhere online and all I can find are employee reviews and feedback from potential customers who went through their sales process. Not a single review from a real client who's actually used their transfer pricing services. We're a mid-sized company with operations in 4 countries, and getting our transfer pricing documentation right is becoming more critical as we grow. Before we commit to CrossBorder Solutions, I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone who has firsthand experience working with them. What was the quality of their work? Did they deliver on their unlimited service promise? Any pros and cons you can share? I feel like I'm taking a shot in the dark here since I can't find any client testimonials anywhere ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
We looked at CrossBorder Solutions last year for our transfer pricing needs but ultimately went with a different provider. Nothing specifically wrong with them, but we found their sales process to be very aggressive and the pricing structure had some hidden costs that weren't clear upfront. What sealed the deal against them was when we asked for client references like someone suggested above - they were really hesitant to provide any. They eventually offered one, but it was for a company in a completely different industry with much simpler transfer pricing needs than ours. Take their "unlimited service" promise with a grain of salt. When we dug into the contract details, there were quite a few limitations on what was actually included in the base fee.
This is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for - thank you! Did they explain why they were reluctant to provide references? And what kind of limitations did you find in their "unlimited" service when you reviewed the contract?
They claimed client confidentiality was the reason for not providing references, which is somewhat understandable in tax matters, but most firms find ways to connect potential clients while respecting privacy. When we pushed, it felt like they just didn't have many satisfied customers they could showcase. As for the "unlimited" service limitations, the base fee only covered routine updates to existing documentation. Any changes to your corporate structure, new intercompany transactions, or expanding to new jurisdictions triggered additional fees. Also, their response time guarantee only applied to "routine" questions - anything complex was subject to their availability and often took weeks to resolve.
Has anyone used any of the Big 4 firms for transfer pricing? We're considering CrossBorder Solutions too but wondering how they compare to more established players like EY or KPMG for mid-sized companies?
We use Deloitte for our transfer pricing work. They're definitely more expensive than boutique firms like CrossBorder, but the peace of mind is worth it for us. Their documentation has helped us successfully navigate audits in multiple countries. The big downside is that unless you're a major client, you're often working with junior staff except for the final review.
We switched from PwC to a smaller specialized firm similar to CrossBorder and honestly haven't noticed a drop in quality. The Big 4 expertise is excellent but you pay a significant premium. The mid-tier firms often have former Big 4 partners/managers but with more reasonable pricing. The key is finding a firm with specific experience in your industry and countries of operation.
Samantha Johnson
I pay my teenage kids in my business (I own a retail shop) but I actually have them work - stocking inventory, helping with social media, etc. For really young kids like yours, the image rights approach can work but be SUPER careful with documentation. Make sure you: 1) Have a formal contract for the image rights 2) Pay market rates (research what others pay for similar usage) 3) Document EVERYTHING - when photos are taken, where they're used, etc. 4) Keep the money in accounts in their names Also consider setting up Roth IRAs for them with this earned income - amazing long-term tax benefits!
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Nick Kravitz
Doesn't the IRS get suspicious when they see really young kids getting paid? My accountant warned me that paying anyone under 7 would be a red flag.
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Samantha Johnson
The age itself isn't necessarily the red flag - it's whether the arrangement seems legitimate and reasonable. Many child actors and models are extremely young. The key is that you're paying for something with clear business value (the right to use their images in your marketing) and documenting the business purpose. Your accountant is right to be cautious though. The IRS does scrutinize family employment arrangements. That's why documentation is crucial - you need contracts, proof the images are actually used in your business, and evidence that the compensation is reasonable compared to market rates. Start modest with the amounts and keep everything professional and well-documented.
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Hannah White
Just wanted to add another approach - we pay our kids (ages 6-11) as models for our home-based business that sells children's products. Instead of buying "image rights," we pay them as independent contractors for specific photoshoots. We complete W-9s, issue 1099s, and track hours/shoots carefully. We also worked with an attorney to draft simple model release forms and contracts. We pay about $100-150 per photoshoot which happens 2-3 times monthly. Pictures go directly to our product listings and social media marketing.
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Michael Green
This sounds more legitimate than just "buying image rights." Have you ever been audited on this? I'm worried about getting flagged.
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