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Julian Paolo

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Whatever you do, don't pay Optima or other big tax relief firms those crazy fees! I was in your exact situation (3 years unfiled) and first got quoted $3000+ from a relief company. Ended up finding a local EA (Enrolled Agent) who did all three years for $750 total. The key is finding someone who specializes in tax preparation, not tax relief. The "tax relief" industry is filled with high-pressure sales tactics and huge markups.

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Lucy Taylor

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Thanks for the suggestion! How did you find your EA? Did you just google local tax professionals or is there a specific directory I should look at?

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Julian Paolo

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I found mine through the National Association of Enrolled Agents directory (naea.org). You can search by location and even by specialties like "back taxes" or "IRS representation." I'd recommend calling at least 3-4 of them for quotes and asking specifically about their experience with unfiled returns. Some will also offer free initial consultations where they can give you a ballpark estimate of what you might owe before you commit to hiring them.

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Ella Knight

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Just want to add - make sure you file ASAP! The failure-to-file penalty is much higher than the failure-to-pay penalty, so even if you can't pay what you owe right away, getting those returns filed will stop the bigger penalty from growing.

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This is a really important point. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of unpaid taxes per month up to 25%, while failure-to-pay is only 0.5% per month. So filing even if you can't pay saves you 4.5% per month!

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Restaurant manager here. Your boss is playing with fire. We had a similar "bright idea" at my previous restaurant until we got audited. The IRS specifically looks for this kind of scheme in the service industry. Your employer is required to: 1. Collect your reported tips 2. Withhold income and FICA taxes on those tips 3. Pay the employer portion of FICA taxes When we got caught, the restaurant had to pay ALL back taxes plus penalties and interest. Some servers also got hit with penalties for underreporting. If I were you, I'd keep meticulous records of all your tips, report them properly on your taxes, and possibly start looking for another job with less shady practices.

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ShadowHunter

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Thanks for sharing your experience from the management side. Do you think I should start reporting my tips to my employer anyway, even though he specifically told us not to? I'm worried about creating conflict but also don't want to be part of something illegal.

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I would absolutely start reporting your tips properly despite what your boss says. Create a simple spreadsheet or use a tip tracking app to document everything. Then submit a monthly tip report to your employer (you can find Form 4070 templates online) and keep a copy with proof of submission. If your boss pushes back, you can simply say that you're following IRS requirements to protect yourself. Frame it as something you need to do for your own tax compliance rather than suggesting he's doing something wrong. Most importantly, document everything in case questions arise later. The reality is that the IRS holds both parties responsible, but you can protect yourself by following proper reporting procedures even if your employer doesn't.

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Ethan Davis

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Just a tip - I use the IRS Publication 1244 which contains Form 4070 (Employee's Report of Tips to Employer) and 4070A (Employee's Daily Record of Tips). You can download it from the IRS website or order physical copies. Been in the service industry 15+ years and learned the hard way that proper documentation is your best protection. When employers try these tip reporting workarounds, servers almost always end up paying the price. Keep copies of everything you submit to your employer. If they refuse to accept your tip reports, send them by email or certified mail so you have proof you attempted to comply with the law.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Do you have to report credit card tips too? I thought those were automatically tracked since they go through the POS system. My manager only tells us to track cash tips.

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Rajiv Kumar

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet: If you're making under the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion amount (which you definitely are), make sure you're also looking at the tax treaties between France and the US. The treaty has specific provisions for certain types of income that might benefit you when you start investing. Also, consider opening a brokerage account with a US company that accepts foreign residents like Interactive Brokers or Schwab International. This bypasses a lot of the FATCA headaches since you're investing through US institutions rather than French ones.

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Mia Green

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Are you saying I should just avoid French investment options entirely? That seems extreme just to avoid some paperwork. Are there any decent investment options that are compatible with both French and US tax systems?

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Rajiv Kumar

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I'm not saying avoid French options entirely, but you should be selective. The main investments to avoid are foreign mutual funds and similar pooled investments that get classified as PFICs. Look into individual stocks, bonds, or ETFs that are listed on US exchanges even if bought through a French broker (though finding one that accepts US citizens can be challenging). Some French banks have created US-compliant investment products specifically for Americans living in France. Another option is to use a US brokerage while living abroad. The paperwork is much simpler for US tax purposes, though you'll still need to report the investment income on your French taxes. The US-France tax treaty prevents double taxation in most cases.

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Don't forget about state taxes! Depending on which state you had as your last residence before moving abroad (or if you were born abroad, possibly your parents' last state), you might still have filing requirements there too. Some states like California and Virginia are notorious for trying to claim you as a resident even after you've left.

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This isn't relevant to the OP's situation. They said they were born in France and have lived there their whole life. There's no prior state residency to worry about.

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Another option you might consider is forming an LLC in your home state but electing to be taxed as an S-Corporation. This can potentially reduce self-employment taxes while giving you flexibility. I did this while bouncing between states and it worked well because: 1) I maintained my business entity in one consistent state 2) I could pay myself a reasonable salary and take distributions 3) I only had to deal with one state for business filings 4) Sales tax was still collected based on customer location regardless Remember that your personal tax residence and business entity location are separate issues that sometimes overlap.

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Andre Dubois

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That's interesting! How did you handle the "reasonable salary" determination? I've heard the IRS can be picky about that with S-Corps. And did you have to register as a foreign entity in other states where you were physically working?

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For reasonable salary, I researched what someone would make in a similar role in my industry and documented my justification. It's generally accepted that 40-60% of your business income as salary is reasonable, but it varies by industry and circumstances. Yes, technically you're supposed to register as a foreign entity in states where you're physically working. However, many digital nomads don't do this for temporary stays (risky but common). I registered in states where I stayed more than 2-3 months to be safe. Some states have thresholds before registration is required, but they vary widely.

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Has anyone actually tried the Wyoming route with a digital business? I did this last year and regret it honestly. The initial setup was easy but I ended up having to register as a foreign entity in 4 different states because my customers triggered economic nexus thresholds. Each state had different requirements and filing deadlines. Ended up spending way more on compliance than I saved.

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Dylan Cooper

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Wyoming works great if you truly don't have physical presence elsewhere AND your sales don't trigger economic nexus in multiple states. I went this route for my consulting business that primarily works with clients in just 2 states, and it's been manageable.

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That makes sense. My mistake was having customers spread across too many states and exceeding those economic nexus thresholds. Looking back, I should have incorporated in the state where I spend most of my time and just dealt with being a resident there for tax purposes. The complexity of multi-state compliance wasn't worth the theoretical tax savings.

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Nia Davis

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Just a heads up - I had this exact issue when I worked 2 jobs last year. Made sure to claim my excess SS on Schedule 3, but my return got flagged for "verification" and delayed my refund by 3 months. Found out later this is pretty common when claiming excess SS tax. If possible, try to file early so you have time to deal with any potential delays. And keep all your W-2s organized in case they ask for documentation. They didn't ask me for anything, but better safe than sorry.

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Mateo Perez

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Did you get your full refund eventually? And did they contact you during those 3 months or was it just radio silence while they were verifying?

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Nia Davis

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Yes, I did get my full refund including the excess Social Security tax amount. They didn't adjust anything once they verified my information. During those 3 months, it was mostly radio silence. I kept checking the "Where's My Refund" tool, and it just said "Your refund is being processed" the entire time. I called once after about 2 months and was told it was in the verification department and I just needed to wait. Then one day the status suddenly changed to approved, and I got the deposit a few days later.

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Aisha Rahman

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My tax guy says we shouldn't file the 843 form at all. He said to put the excess on line 11 of Schedule 3 (the Credit for Excess Social Security Tax Withheld line). I'm using a diff tax software than you but all of them should have this. Add up all your W-2 box 4 amounts, subtract $10,453, and what's left is your credit. No need to contact employers or file extra forms. Much easier!

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Thanks so much for this! I just checked my tax software and found the Schedule 3 section. You're right - there's a specific line for "Excess social security tax withheld" and it was really straightforward to enter. I was definitely overthinking this. After entering the information, my refund increased by the exact amount of my excess withholding. No need for Form 843 or contacting employers at all!

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Just to add - make sure you keep good records showing your calculation of the excess amount. A friend of mine got audited for this (bad luck I guess) and needed to show how she calculated the excess amount from her multiple W-2s.

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